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WaPo posted:

Colombian president, rebels announce major breakthrough in peace talks

HAVANA — Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos and the leader of the FARC rebel group announced a major breakthrough Wednesday in their peace negotiations, bringing the country to the verge of ending one of the world’s longest-running wars.

The dramatic announcement came in Havana, where the two sides began formal negotiations in 2012 on ending the 50-year-old conflict. Wednesday’s ceremony marked the first time Santos has appeared beside Timoleón Jiménez, alias “Timochenko,” the elusive FARC commander who previously surfaced in videos recorded from his jungle hideouts.

With Cuban President Raúl Castro seated between them, Santos said he and Timochenko had told their negotiating teams to reach a final agreement within six months. The guerrilla commander remains an adversary, Santos said, but “today we are making progress in the same direction, toward the most noble goal a society can have: peace.”

“We must break once and for all any link between politics and weapons,” he told a room packed with Colombian journalists and politicians at Havana’s convention center.

More than 220,000 people have been killed in the three-way violence between the left-wing guerrillas, the government and right-wing paramilitary groups. At least 6 million Colombians have been forced to flee their homes. Only Syria has more “internally displaced persons,” according to U.N. data.

The agreement announced Wednesday breaks an impasse over the most sensitive element of the talks, namely whether guerrillas who lay down their weapons would be subject to criminal prosecution, prison terms and potential extradition to the United States.

Leaders of the FARC, or Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, have insisted they would not submit to such terms. There are reams of criminal charges against them in Colombian, U.S. and international courts for murder, kidnapping, drug trafficking, terrorism and virtually every other serious offense imaginable.

The deal would establish a truth-and-reconciliation process through which guerrillas and Colombian military commanders accused of rights abuses would be required to confess their crimes at special tribunals.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/colombia-and-rebels-expected-to-reveal-major-breakthrough-in-peace-talks/2015/09/23/98694be6-61f1-11e5-8475-781cc9851652_story.html

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¡OÉ PARCE!
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I laffed at this title but also it's an example of why it's bad to spend time on web there's nothing about it that would translate to a real human.
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no one cares about Fark anymore but i think a casual reference to Reddit or 4chan would generally be understood.
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"The tribunal, described in Farc’s documents as a “peace court”, will not try all cases. There will be “two types of procedure”. One will deal with those who “recognise their responsibility in an early fashion for the most serious crimes”. These people “will have access to the special justice treatment”. They will present themselves to a “comprehensive system of truth, justice, reparation and non-repetition” which will – along South African lines – accept statements of responsibility and reckoning to forge an agreed truth. In this way Farc leaders electing to co-operate will be eligible for “alternative sanctions”: supervised community work with “effective restraint of liberty” – but not jail – for between five and eight years....

Santos seems to have gained more ground from Farc than had been expected, but he has made one concession that could leave many who served under him also facing justice.The Special Jurisdiction for Peace “requires the participation of all those who directly or indirectly took part in the armed conflict, including ... state agents”.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/26/colombia-farc-peace-santos

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united state agents? cool!
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It is heartening that it appears provisions for land reform that were agreed to in negotiations two years ago ( http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-22676049) made the final cut--it will at the very least provide a legal point around which Colombian peasants and activists can mobilize around in future.

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Yeah land reform is cool. Kicking out landlords is cool. Colombia*
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no one could have predicted

Colombia’s left fears political extermination following 29 murders in 2 weeks

Twenty-nine members of Colombia’s political left have been killed in the last two weeks. The killings spark fears of a renewed spate of political extermination exactly when extreme leftist rebels seek to disarm.

The victims of the recent assassinations were community leaders, land claimants and members of peasant movements according to news outlet UNO.

Aida Avella, the president of left-wing party Patriotic Union (UP), fears that this new wave of assassinations may be the start of a new phase of political extermination against the left.

Avella’s party was the victim of a major paramilitary extermination campaign. Thousands of party members, including a presidential candidate of the Patriotic Union, were murdered by drug dealers, far-right paramilitary groups and members of the security forces.

The assassinations come at a crucial time for the political left as Colombia’s government and the country’s larges guerrilla group, the FARC, enter the final stages of talks to sign an agreement to end the 51-year conflict ahead of the March 23 deadline.

The FARC has already said that unless the state is able to protect its demobilizing members, it will not be able to disarm.

“These are the spokes in the wheel of peace in Colombia. The enemies of peace don’t want it to be signed, or there to be peace,” the UP chief, who spent years in exile, told local media.

This security situation of Colombia’s left is being reviewed by the office of the High Commissioner of the United Nations for Human Rights.

The international body is also following up on eight of the 12 murders of leftist leaders that have been registered in the country between January 1 and March 10, reported television network RCN.

“Clearly there are criminal structures in the country who want to sabotage the peace process and that are threatening and killing leftist leaders,” said senior adviser Guillermo Rivera to RCN.

The killings were recorded mainly in the departments of Cauca, Sucre, Cundinamarca, Antioquia, Arauca, Bolivar and Putumayo. Among the victims were two minors, said Avella.

The national government has said to also be concerned about the issue. President Juan Manuel Santos ordered the security forces in February to intensify operations targeting what the government calls “BaCrim.”

She emphasized the importance of the intervention of international justice to ensure that those responsible for these crimes are held accountable, “the crimes may go unpunished here, but in international courts they will not go unpunished.”

The violence targeting leftists in the 1980s and early 1990s ended efforts of the FARC to become a political party and radicalized the country’s left, which strengthened the FARC and — fueled by drug money — further escalated political violence.

Assassinations were rampant and continued into the early 2000s. Avella herself, fled the country in 1995 after surviving a third assassination attempt. Others members of the party ultimately followed Avella’s lead and went into exile abroad.

With these atrocities still fresh in the mind, recent events have triggered fear that left wing political groups may be facing the same again as the FARC guerrillas move towards demobilization and towards political participation.


http://colombiareports.com/29-leftist-leaders-killed-2-weeks-colombia/

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Haha how fucking stupid are they? You'd think that'd be at least smart enough to wait till they had disarmed. It's obviously depressing that good people are getting murdered, but at least people will know that the political route is a dead end.
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Soldiers and ex-guerrillas may together protect Colombia’s FARC rebels in peace: minister

Colombia’s FARC rebel leaders will likely be protected by their own demobilized security units in coordination with the armed forces once peace is signed and the Marxist group enters politics, the defense minister said on Wednesday.

The government and Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) are expected to agree to end five decades of conflict this year, and ink an accord that would allow the group to form a political party and enter civil society.

“We cannot allow that Colombian politics is carried out with weapons, not for the FARC or against the FARC,” Defense Minister Luis Carlos Villegas said in an interview, adding the group’s security was still being discussed at talks in Havana.

Paramount to the negotiations is how the former guerrillas would avoid the fate of other demobilized rebel groups.

The FARC-inspired Patriotic Union was decimated in the 1980s when right-wing paramilitary death squads killed 5,000 of its members and supporters, including two presidential candidates.

Another rebel group, the leftist M-19, was permitted to use its own members as security staff after losing a presidential candidate to assassins.

Even though paramilitary groups demobilized back in 2006, many members remained armed and formed new crime gangs focused on drug trafficking and illegal mining.

While Colombia has had patchy success in its fight against illegal drugs – a $10 billion U.S. campaign did little to dent coca cultivation – the government says it will turn all its military resources against the gangs, whose links with Mexican cartels have made them more sophisticated.

Air raids and U.S. intelligence will be used against their 3,000-strong operations, Villegas said.

An end to the war between rebels and the government, which has killed more than 220,000 people and displaced millions, may allow the FARC alternatives to jail, a perk not available to crime gangs.

Bringing total peace to Colombia would be a drawn-out process of at least 20 years that would require changes in education and culture, Villegas said.

“The end of conflict with the FARC is a very good start to a country at peace within a generation,” said Villegas, who was a government negotiator before becoming minister.

“Here there are other problems of violence that are part of our idiosyncrasies, our culture, our civic intolerance against which we must fight, especially in terms of education,”




http://colombiareports.com/colombia-soldiers-ex-guerillas-may-protect-rebels-peace-minister/

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Meanwhile, the country has spent the past week in the throws of an agrarian strike

The strike also acts as an umbrella of resistance under which other popular struggles are being taken up.
The agrarian strike which has ignited across Colombia is rooted in the historic marginalization and repression of Indigenous, rural and Afro-Colombian communities and the state’s failure to fulfill promises made after earlier displays of popular mobilization. Much of the country is now at a standstill in what could be merely the first phase of the uprising, widely known as the Minga.

It began Monday. By Tuesday several of Colombia’s highways were blocked, restricting access to zones across the country. In some places it was cut off completely. This is not the first time Colombia has mobilized to demand the government meet its social and political obligations, but it is the largest Minga to date. And nobody knows when it will end.

The department of Cauca is home to a large rural population and a history of radicalism. It is also one of the most ethnically diverse regions in Colombia. These factors situate Cauca at the vanguard of the movement. Protesters occupy the Pan-American highway linking the department capital of Popayan with the larger city of Cali in neighboring Valle, rendering Cauca inaccessible by road. The last time this happened, in 2013, it was two weeks before it reopened.

Indigenous communities from across Cauca have gathered in the traditional meeting point for collective dialogue and decision-making, La Maria, a few kilometers from the town of Piendamo. To enter La Maria involves crossing two lines of the Indigenous Guard.

Each of the more than one hundred communities present at La Maria is escorted by its own guard, who are distinguished by their bamboo staffs adorned with colorful fabrics. In autonomous zones beyond state control, the guards are the peacekeepers. They also represent the frontline of defense against the authorities.

Admission to La Maria is only granted to recognized allies of the movement. One such group is the Patriotic March, a left-wing political organization formed in 2012 which has become a powerful force in grassroots mobilization. In 2012, 80,000 people marched through Bogota in support of the movement (hence the name). Its political strength is emphasized by the fact that over 100 of its members have been murdered by the military or right-wing paramilitaries.

A process of inclusion is required, says Oscar Salazar, a lead coordinator for the Patriotic March, "The government must address rural and Afro committees in Cauca. There needs to be legalization of campesino territories and recognition of their rights. These are related to the politics of mining and energy."

In Cauca, the Minga has been called by a collective body of organizations known as the Agrarian Summit, made up of the Patriotic March, the Regional Indigenous Council of Cauca, the People’s Congress, and smaller campesino and Afro-Colombian organizations.

The strike also acts as an umbrella of resistance under which other popular struggles are being taken up. In Popayan, workers at the Syndicate of Public Employees, university students and activists from the Patriotic March protested plans for privatization of public services by blocking central city streets.

Inside La Maria, women, men and children fill a large hall made of bamboo under a corrugated roof. Others spread across a grassy ledge overlooking the restricted highway. Many older people wear traditional hats and chew coca leaves around the central fireplace.

Much of the younger generation play with mobile phones and sport Cristiano Ronaldo haircuts. Indigenous authorities address the congregation from a stage which will host numerous government ministers in the coming days.

Spirits are high but there is trepidation. Clashes are occurring throughout the country, including at the blockade a few kilometers up the road. Tensions have been raised by the death of a young Embera man in an encounter with riot police, the much-reviled Mobile Anti-Disturbance Squadron.

On the eve of the Minga, 26-year-old Willington Quibarecama Nequirucama died after being struck by an armored vehicle and falling from a bridge in Valle. The following days brought multiple reports of police brutality, arbitrary arrests and forced disappearances. On the second day helicopters buzzes the congregation, a loudspeaker threatens anyone who blocks public highways with prison. The response on the ground is, mildly speaking, derogatory.

For those coordinating the movement, a unified front is critical to resisting state intimidation tactics. "Why is it important for all our people to come together?," asks Jose Ildo Pete, Senior Counselor for the CRIC.

"We are not fighting for individual demands, but a collective and communal one. The principal theme of this Minga is the defense of territory, which is fundamental to the survival of Indigenous people and their culture and spirituality."

The defense of territory is a historical commitment that is today gravely threatened by conflict and resource extraction. In Cauca—and across Colombia—this has displaced villages and devastated the environment, with the local municipalities of Suarez, Santander de Quilichao and Buenos Aires among those affected by illegal gold mining.

Polluted lands and rivers slowly kill the people who depend upon them for survival, while criminal negligence in the mines has caused dozens of deaths in recent years.

The issue of mining is prominent on the list of demands, alongside health, education, human rights, political autonomy and inclusion in the peace process.

Underlying the dispute is Decree 982, drafted in 1999, in which the Colombian state recognized the "social, cultural and economic emergence declared by the Indigenous authorities and peoples of Cauca."

Back then, the Interior Minister attended La Maria to sign a multitude of agreements with the CRIC which constitutionalized Indigenous rights over land, environment, human rights, security and economy. Few have been adhered to.

Cauca has been further blighted by the civil war. In 2012 Nasa communities mobilized against the militarization of their homeland to demand that both insurgency and state submit to Indigenous authority before encroaching on designated territories. Under the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People, these communities hold political autonomy over their lands, making any unsolicited incursion a violation of their rights.

While the Santos administration and the FARC negotiate to end the conflict, many social groups affected by violence are calling for inclusion. The state is not interested in constructing a genuine post-conflict scenario, says one Indigenous guardsman, "I think peace is going to be very difficult because some will submit to it and others won’t. The government doesn’t support peace and keeps killing Indigenous members, women."

Any hope for a quick and relatively peaceful conclusion to the Minga was dispelled by the killings of two Indigenous guards on Thursday. Gersain Ceron and Marco Diaz Ulcue were shot by security forces at the Cauca blockade.

Despite the deaths, the CRIC continued to call for a peaceful resolution and demanded "the national government withdraw public forces from the site of confrontation and continue with the dialogues to guarantee the completion of accords with the Indigenous peoples of Cauca and on a national level."

Other sources told teleSUR that more militant factions were seeking to intensify the insurrection in the wake of the killings.

Colombia’s government is failing its people. To revert this, it must unreservedly instigate processes guaranteeing the security of all citizens, not only urbanized populations of European descent.

It must prioritize the wellbeing of communities and their environments over the profits of multinational corporations. It must submit to established zones of political autonomy which predate the existence of the state. And it must construct an intercultural framework for health and education which puts all Colombians on an equal footing while respecting diverse traditions and customs.

On Thursday evening the National Indigenous Organization of Colombia released a statement criticizing the "repression of the Santos government" and vowing the Minga "will take place until the National Government formally addresses our demands efficiently and satisfactorily through purposeful and political dialogue which guarantees our rights."

For now, the struggle continues.



http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/This-is-What-Happens-When-You-Ignore-Us-Striking-Colombians-20160603-0028.html

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le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

finally, a detailed schematic of how the rhizzone works. now i can get to work

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I'm going to Bogota in Dec anybody know where I can get some cocaine while I'm down there?
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drwhat posted:

finally, a detailed schematic of how the rhizzone works. now i can get to work



your station chief will be pleased

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Here's hoping that UP and Marcha Patriotica, their legal fronts, are able to seize state power in a Chavismo-October Road type victory and expell the imperialists. I'm cautiously optimistic. I hate when people cry revisionism as soon as armed movements start pursuing some legal means or don't go full "Universal PPW!" (cough cough, dogmatic gonzaloites).
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SparksBandung posted:

(cough cough, dogmatic gonzaloites).



catchphrase

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she's gonzable
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Surprising no-one, 29 leftist leaders have been killed in Colombia in the last two weeks - with fears of a campaign by right wing death squads to sabotage the peace process

https://elventano.es/2016/06/29-lideres-de-izquierda-han-sido-asesinados-en-colombia-en-dos-ultimas-semanas.html
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http://farc-epeace.org/background/item/1391-pathways-for-revolution-and-socialism-are-still-being-explored.html

A revolutionary organization as experienced and responsible as the FARC-EP realized that what had to be done, was to formulate proposals in line with the tragic reality that Colombians were going through, before engaging in heated debates about the validity of the revolution and socialism. At that point, it was understood that massive support to the political struggle would come through the adequate interpretation of the needed changes according to the people´s deepest longings.

A people besieged by State and paramilitary violence, victim of the terrorist attacks carried out by the drug mafias, threatened on a daily basis on the streets of towns and cities by the death squads, harassed by the impact of a long internal war and on top of that victim of the economic model, had feel the deep aspiration of peace and change in its favor.

The FARC-EP was clear that peace, democracy and social justice were the banners that had to be raised in a Colombia stricken by State terrorism. We had to provide a huge impetus to the demands of the Colombian people to stop State terror, to open spaces that would allow political action by those from below, who have been deprived of their rights due to the official violence while generating awareness against neoliberalism and injustice.

A revolutionary organization as experienced and responsible as the FARC-EP realized that what had to be done, was to formulate proposals in line with the tragic reality that Colombians were going through, before engaging in heated debates about the validity of the revolution and socialism. At that point, it was understood that massive support to the political struggle would come through the adequate interpretation of the needed changes according to the people´s deepest longings.

A people besieged by State and paramilitary violence, victim of the terrorist attacks carried out by the drug mafias, threatened on a daily basis on the streets of towns and cities by the death squads, harassed by the impact of a long internal war and on top of that victim of the economic model, had feel the deep aspiration of peace and change in its favor.

The FARC-EP was clear that peace, democracy and social justice were the banners that had to be raised in a Colombia stricken by State terrorism. We had to provide a huge impetus to the demands of the Colombian people to stop State terror, to open spaces that would allow political action by those from below, who have been deprived of their rights due to the official violence while generating awareness against neoliberalism and injustice.

These were not precisely the slogans of revolution and socialism, but it was clear to us that by achieving and materializing them, they would generate the conditions for the victims of the economic and political system to play a key role in further transformations, it would open the possibility to organize and advance, to conquer rights and deepen the struggle to expand them. The slogans of life, peace, political freedom, land, State support and others would eventually become a hurricane.

But we didn’t only say it in proclamations and conferences. We defended it with the force of arms. At the historical moment in which all voices of the Establishment and significant leftist groups were trying to convince us of the need to demobilize, the FARC-EP assumed the military confrontation at its most intense level, we fought without hesitation against the State and its paramilitaries, we shed our blood and many valuable combatants gave their lives.

(...)

It has been our armed resistance, united to the clamor of millions of Colombians for peace and for the end of the neoliberal policies -that threaten the very existence of the human species- which conquered the space of the Peace Process in Havana. And within it, we have waged a political battle of historic dimensions in order to enforce our idea of ​​peace with social justice and democracy. The agreements signed so far are an example of it.



we'll see. a day or two ago they stopped enforcing taxation in their territories.

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My school was Colombia in Model UN in the 9th grade. One of my group's issues was about hypothetical Basque separatists waging guerrilla warfare. I am now proud to say I took an extremely unrealistic and highly abrasive pro-FARC stance in the conversation. And i was basically a fascist at that age in most ways. Now even the Washington Post is starting to get it... well not always
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/the-biggest-obstacle-to-peace-in-colombia-may-not-be-farc-but-an-ex-president/2016/07/06/09834850-3d79-11e6-9e16-4cf01a41decb_story.html

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alphabet boys are extremely pissed that legal protection might be extended to people they expected to shoot over charges of drug trafficking. so U.S. Department of Labor is currently trying to opportunistically use trade union complaints of labor protection violations to fuck with the U.S./Colombia free trade agreement. this will also head off the agreement as a potential wedge issue to be used against Clinton in the election.
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swampman posted:

My school was Colombia in Model UN in the 9th grade. One of my group's issues was about hypothetical Basque separatists waging guerrilla warfare. I am now proud to say I took an extremely unrealistic and highly abrasive pro-FARC stance in the conversation. And i was basically a fascist at that age in most ways. Now even the Washington Post is starting to get it... well not always
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/the-biggest-obstacle-to-peace-in-colombia-may-not-be-farc-but-an-ex-president/2016/07/06/09834850-3d79-11e6-9e16-4cf01a41decb_story.html


i did model UN in high school and i was assigned venezuela in some delegation dealing with drug trafficking and the US representative threatened to send the CIA to stage a coup if i didn't fall in line

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so it was you all along!!
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c_man posted:

swampman posted:

My school was Colombia in Model UN in the 9th grade. One of my group's issues was about hypothetical Basque separatists waging guerrilla warfare. I am now proud to say I took an extremely unrealistic and highly abrasive pro-FARC stance in the conversation. And i was basically a fascist at that age in most ways. Now even the Washington Post is starting to get it... well not always
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/the-biggest-obstacle-to-peace-in-colombia-may-not-be-farc-but-an-ex-president/2016/07/06/09834850-3d79-11e6-9e16-4cf01a41decb_story.html

i did model UN in high school and i was assigned venezuela in some delegation dealing with drug trafficking and the US representative threatened to send the CIA to stage a coup if i didn't fall in line


wow i never realized model UN was so realistic

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does anyone else think we could probably try and slang coke for FARC? i imagine if we sold it to like, rich people, we could find a way to get that money back. just a suggestion. seem like cool guys and i can't find a gofundme so this is just my idea on how to help!
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Drugs hurt the community so I will just exercise my veto power now.
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we can be ethical drug dealers who only sell to cokehead bankers and wall street guys. with enough coke we could create a whole wolfpack of wall street capable of taking down the global economy through insanely reckless trading conducted during a monster bender
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ilmdge posted:

we can be ethical drug dealers who only sell to cokehead bankers and wall street guys. with enough coke we could create a whole wolfpack of wall street capable of taking down the global economy through insanely reckless trading conducted during a monster bender



exactly my thoughts. the wolf of wall street was more or less a guide for any revolutionary leftist watching. speaking from experience rich people absolutely go batshit for drugs, like basically from the second they turn 15, so im sure we could do it if we put together a cracksquad of rhizzone posters we could call Plug Society

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Let's Read Hillary's Emails
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Puig Society
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Puig is the plug
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so after FARC has handed all their guns over, gives up the territory they de-facto rule to the government, and transitions to a legal political party, what stops the government from brutally suppressing them
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twitter
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Hopefully internal and external pressure dissuades them from explicitly violent repressive tactics.

The conflict is by no means over; it's just the nature of the conflict transitions to one of politics and grassroots mobilization.

I'm not really that aware of the local particularities in Colombia and can only draw from what I know of vaguely similar situations in Basque Country and Northern Ireland in which similar transition happened.

Are things better in these regions? On one level yes because there is less death and torture. But on another level no, because they are still fighting from a position where the odds are stacked against them, and a lot of elaborate games are played to limit their participation in the peaceful avenues available.

Also ETA/IRA/etc operated very differently from FARC and were not particularly Marxist in my understanding. My uninformed guess is that FARC have certain contingency plans, and disarmament will be a slow gradual process that has to happen in parallel with government concessions.