babyhueypnewton posted:

there is mystification that is important to understand, like money as the mystification of value. there is also mystification which only serves to confuse and make things appear complex that are simple. the functioning of bourgeois government is the latter.

well but there's also the fact that trying to convince people involved in electoralism that a simpler fact is true (the state is a gang of thugs) is usually pretty hard, while showing them why their activism tends to be wasted because of logic internal to electoralism can be useful too. like if someone thinks they are being helpful because they write letters to politicians about how welfare rates are too low or something, it's good if you can show them that a young staffer just adds one checkmark to one thing in a database which no one really looks at again and then shoots you a form letter, instead of directly attacking their theory of the state.

babyhueypnewton posted:

actually you should combat liberalism at all times. try to reason with it to your own ruination

getfiscal posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

there is mystification that is important to understand, like money as the mystification of value. there is also mystification which only serves to confuse and make things appear complex that are simple. the functioning of bourgeois government is the latter.

well but there's also the fact that trying to convince people involved in electoralism that a simpler fact is true (the state is a gang of thugs) is usually pretty hard, while showing them why their activism tends to be wasted because of logic internal to electoralism can be useful too. like if someone thinks they are being helpful because they write letters to politicians about how welfare rates are too low or something, it's good if you can show them that a young staffer just adds one checkmark to one thing in a database which no one really looks at again and then shoots you a form letter, instead of directly attacking their theory of the state.

You really would make a good organizer, fiscal.

RedMaistre posted:

Wish someone who actually is a UK citizen would come and present the postive case for Corbyn, to counter-balance us North American pessimists.

did you not read the op + title?!

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

why doesnt the queen pick the dude who runs thing and save you some time. plus as she gets senile we could have fun with it. The Old Ways Are Best

the queen does pick the people who govern.

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

in commonwealth countries do carpenters and farmers who serve the queen sense the entomological humor

canadians aren't myrmecophobic so we don't really get worked up about people who identify as ants. maybe you'll catch up one day down there.

RedMaistre posted:

Wish someone who actually is a UK citizen would come and present the postive case for Corbyn, to counter-balance us North American pessimists.

ive got real internet for One Night Only so i could probably delineate more clearly why he's not just british bernie sanders, and what likely obstacles he'd face as labour leader

jools posted:

RedMaistre posted:

Wish someone who actually is a UK citizen would come and present the postive case for Corbyn, to counter-balance us North American pessimists.

ive got real internet for One Night Only so i could probably delineate more clearly why he's not just british bernie sanders, and what likely obstacles he'd face as labour leader

That would be great, if you get a chance. Hope is a virtue, by my lights.

(You don't need to sell me on the idea that he is not the same as the Bern, btw)

aerdil posted:

also most importantly his last name sounds like bruce willis' character's name in the fifth element, which will be a rich territory for memes

his constituency can be referred to as "Corbyn-based life forms"
e: probably gonna be UK slang for the Pakis like everything else

Hospitals could not afford basic medicines, such as strong tea and Bovril

littlegreenpills posted:

i was debating using the words "stock" or "bouillon" but am handicapped by the fact none of you shit tards know what those are

it's like gold bars

Panopticon posted:

the lenin's tomb guy is a fantastic troll
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/02/guardian-writer-if-burned-falklands-hero-knew-anything-hed-still-have-his-face/

lmao