Ironicwarcriminal posted:DildoMalone posted:drug abuse and alcoholism are most definitely mental illnesses
only in the modern sense that we have to pathologize everything, they can also just be vices or bad habits or lifestyle choices. It's like how in eulogys for Kurt Cobain or John Belushi they say that they 'battled drug addiction' which is really just another way of saying 'they enjoyed taking lots of drugs'.
lol
Again, it's this arbitrary categorization and judgement that irks me - if someone drinks too much in the course of their life then they're either a piece of shit according to conec or blameless victims who are 'suffering' from a mental illness.
the dsm is pretty clear about it actually.
I'm a heavy smoker, i know it's dangerous and in an abstract way i'm aware that i'll probably pay for it at some point, yet i continue to smoke because it's part of my routine and helps order my time and mood. I certainly have a physical nicotine addiction but a mental illness? i wouldn't have thought so.....i'm not sure why that would apply to drinkers rather than smokers
nicotine is kind of a different issue to anything else. that abstractness to any meaningful harm from use makes it pretty pointless to compare to using anything else with the same frequency. just using something doesnt constitute a disorder, its using despite it causing harm that makes it a disorder. healthy people dont continue doing something that harms them and sick people need help rather than scorn
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Christ provides us with this insight as well:
Judge not, lest ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
as someone who is obviously mentally ill, you should not look with pity on others but rather with sympathy. you have obviously suffered greatly so you have more in common with those poor souls than you realize
conec posted:what exactly am i ought to empathize with? dead beat parents? thieves? fair-weather friends? if someone is a junkie should i automatically have pity on their soul? if someone is bi-polar, am i meant to feel sorry for them? u can be mentally ill and a complete ass h`le at the same time, did u realize this ? ? it`s like u want me to be like boo hoo them poor junkies dey jus can`t resist that dope ~!~! God bless them~! i will back up a step - it`s not as though i don`t have compassion for drug addicts, it`s that i feel as though alcoholics are in a class of their own. junkies just nod off or whatever and neglect all responsibilities. alcoholics, however, embarrass themselves and their friends/family, they say things they don`t mean and hurt peoples feelings, they oft become violent (and beat their wives), they pass out and scare their children into thinking they`re dead, they often risk losing their life by either drinking too much or mixing pills w/ booze, and all they need to do in order to put an end to this disarray is stop consuming alcohol. sure, it`s not as easily done as it is said. perhaps they would be better off attending AA meetings, rehab, or therapy. maybe they would need to replace alcohol with a new vocation - either way, alcoholism is a pitiful way to waste an existence. whether alcoholics could be classified as mentally ill is beyond the point, who cares?
indeed, the christian slave morality allowing ingrates such as alcoholics and other dead beats to proliferate must be replaced if humanity is to ever realize its super-human potential, according to the great leftist philosopher Nietzsche
this has been a tough week. my ex, whom i've written about here in the past, finally sent a long awaited email encapsulating reasons she broke up with me which illuminate that the person I was with for two years actually had no idea who I was through the filter of her insecurities & anxieties. also, the father of one of my best friends in STL passed away two days ago as well. they had a difficult and eventually resentful relationship. last night, i kept him company and did the rare thing of going out to bars so he can take his mind off of it. i don't drink. i am a practicing muslim male and this is ramadan. sparing labels of feminism, i certainly take an egalitarian view of gender roles. despite being good at and enjoying dancing and being attractive, relating to people at bars is probably what i do worst in life.
at some point on the patio, a very attractive woman approaches the table my friend and i are at and comes right to me. we talk about los angeles and the topic ends on photography, a past passion of mine, and we exchange experiences and keep talking for quite a bit. I ask her what she does - she stands in a box to advertise in a casino she works for but she has ambitions to make more money by becoming a slot attendant. i ask her what she wants the money for and she answers with wanting to buy more clothes and a new motorcycle. i inquire why she needs a new motorcycle, as used ones aren't impractical - she insists it must be new so it's reliable. she was wholly engaged throughout the conversation. she soon asks what I do for a living and when I tell her (designing space missions), she immediately excuses herself and leaves the table. i asked my friend if we just witnessed the same thing. we concurred.
i signed as i drew my detonator & the bar exploded.
c_man posted:lmao arguing with conec is officially probatable
Maybe you should consider whether everything you say is somehow combative - regardless to its legitimacy xor truth.
guidoanselmi posted:I ask her what she does - she stands in a box to advertise in a casino she works for but she has ambitions to make more money by becoming a slot attendant. i ask her what she wants the money for and she answers with wanting to buy more clothes and a new motorcycle. i inquire why she needs a new motorcycle, as used ones aren't impractical - she insists it must be new so it's reliable. she was wholly engaged throughout the conversation. she soon asks what I do for a living and when I tell her (designing space missions), she immediately excuses herself and leaves the table.
So you won the battle.. gj
guidoanselmi posted:at some point on the patio, a very attractive woman approaches the table my friend and i are at and comes right to me. we talk about los angeles and the topic ends on photography, a past passion of mine, and we exchange experiences and keep talking for quite a bit. I ask her what she does - she stands in a box to advertise in a casino she works for but she has ambitions to make more money by becoming a slot attendant. i ask her what she wants the money for and she answers with wanting to buy more clothes and a new motorcycle. i inquire why she needs a new motorcycle, as used ones aren't impractical - she insists it must be new so it's reliable. she was wholly engaged throughout the conversation. she soon asks what I do for a living and when I tell her (designing space missions), she immediately excuses herself and leaves the table. i asked my friend if we just witnessed the same thing. we concurred.
i signed as i drew my detonator & the bar exploded.
Damn... did you find whether she had butterfly wings tattooed on her back, or an explosion of birds on her forearm?
daddyholes posted:my friends. what are the social causes of drinking to excess.
