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Terre des Hommes

Henry Austin, NBC News contributor posted:

A virtual 10-year-old Filipino girl named "Sweetie" helped researchers identify 1,000 adults who were willing to pay children to perform sexual acts online, according to a charity.

Thousands of would-be predators asked a girl to perform sex acts online unaware that she was actually a computer-generated digital decoy named "Sweetie" created by a charity.

In little more than two months, more than 1,000 people were identified by children's rights group Terre des Hommes after they offered money to the fake profile for a variety of sex acts. They included 254 Americans.

Overall, almost 20,000 people made approaches to the virtual girl -- who was modeled on a 10-year-old -- but the charity was unable to track them all down.
“The child predators doing this now feel that the law doesn’t apply to them,” said Hans Guyt, director of campaigns at Terre des Hommes Netherlands. “The Internet is free, but not lawless."
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He added that real children were often forced into remote commercial child sexual exploitation -- or "webcam child sex tourism" -- by adults or extreme poverty.
“Sometimes they have to testify against their own family, which is almost an impossible thing to do for a child,” Guyt added. "Once a child has become a victim of sexual abuse, rehabilitation can take many years. It is along, painful, and labor-intensive process for children to overcome the trauma."

Using methods similar to Dateline NBC's "To Catch a Predator," the researchers worked from a building in Amsterdam during the summer. “Sweetie” was placed in public Internet chat rooms and the charity's investigators waited for her to be approached.

"Sweetie" was deluged with requests for sexual webcam performances and while the would-be predators interacted with the virtual girl, researchers gathered information about their identities.


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An example of a chat room where an would-be predator approached a digital decoy called "Sweetie."

The details of the 999 men and one woman that they managed to identify have now been passed on Interpol. However, police will only be able to prosecute suspects if they gather their own evidence.

“The United Nations has established laws that make this child abuse nearly universally illegal,” Guyt said. “The biggest problem is that the police don’t take action until child victims file reports, but children almost never report these crimes. We want governments to adopt pro-active investigation policies that give law enforcement agencies the mandate to actively patrol public Internet hot spots where this child abuse is taking place every day.”

An Interpol spokesperson said the agency was aware of the investigation and that Dutch authorities would provide the charity's evidence after conducting their own assessment.



While this article is not marxist and consistently erases class, I do think it is a good thing that a real child does not have to be used as bait in this type of investigation. However, since globalization will inevitably force standardization, it is important to analyze local practice in regards to sexual relationships.

To simply survey the issue from the perspective of the technology used, and not the subject matter, I find it problematic that this could be used to create a fake person of alternative sexuality, or even of race different from the target audience. While in this case I find the cause noble, it could be used to terrible ends, for example a fake gay man resulting in persecution of the intended target by the local power structure, whether it be as sophisticated as a government or basic as tribe leader.

To analyze from the perpective of pedophilia, this creates a different set of issues, though mostly benign in my opinion. The best case scenario results in countries, of which this behavior is illegal, taking legal action against the offenders. In the worst case scenario, this information will be passed to an indifferent government or local power structure. Something about 3D printing. fart

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yikes.

this is a really shitty story actually because it's like yeah 20,000 people propositioned this openly 10yo girl. okay and we were able to identify 1,000. okay and we're passing that information on to interpol but police can only do anything if they gather their own evidence.

in conclusion theres like a billion people out there that sexually exploit children online and nothing's happening to any of them
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ilmdge posted:

in conclusion theres like a billion people out there that sexually exploit children online and nothing's happening to any of them


yeah that's why the globalization factor has to be considered. We get used to dealing with shitty people where we live, when shitty people live all over the world in various percentages of the total local populations.
The video explains that as internet access because available to more of the worlds population and the cost continues to drop, it will only allow more of these shitty people to access the web, and it's continuing existence tends to signal that this is a thing that is ok.

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i dunno about more shitty people getting online, but as the internet becomes more accessible, it makes the exploited more available to the exploiters. and one of the easiest ways for that exploitation to take place in a virtual world is with a webcam and a woman or girl. america is gonna start sending millions of dollars to romania and the philippines in the form of money paid by forever alones to watch people masturbate 10,000 miles away
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otoh maybe it can work the other way as well and once everyone gets online it'll open up new spheres for the future of class warfare, instead of having to struggle locally and bodily against the hired enforcers and western-bought governments, the resistors can harness botnets and ddos walmart.com
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So... hypothetically it would be possible to create several dozen different avatars, run them on a server with some mediocre AI to respond to users request and rake in the cash at $40 an hour per avatar. This would all technically be legal and also morally righteous as you'd be protecting real children from exploitation the more virtual ones you had. How do I get funding for my startup?
#7
One of the commenters on the original article mentioned draining their bank account and actually that's an interesting thought, charge the customer the maximum amount possible, because what is there recourse, go to their financial agency and say they were overcharged for their child porn?
#8
just get rid of the internet already
#9
i wonder how this moral panic charity decided how fuckable their weird computer model should be. like okay we'll need them to be brown... that's a given....
#10
I know that there are some freaks out there, but are there really 1000 guys who are sexually aroused by Gelflings?
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i didn't want to pigeonhole, roseweird, but I almost had a comment about implementing your "rid the world of men" scheme. Question, in good faith though, what is your opinion of the anomaly 1 women and 999 men confirmed? Do you think this was somehow a mistake? If that truly was a woman soliciting the virtual girl, what do you think would cause this behavior?
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thats kinda sick/sad how an artificial construct of a 10yo girl wants to have virtual sxual relations with older men across the world. makes you think
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sweetie, more like creepy
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roseweird posted:

maybe the problem isn't the internet



it may not be The Problem, but it is currently inseparable from The Problem

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ahaha

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#20
it is weird and bad that every story about this really really wants to show you the little kid face they used, many times
#21
Why would that be bad Daddyholes
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it's creepy and very unusual for this sort of story and i don't understand the point, i could make a few guesses as to why but they would just be guesses based on my biases, such as that many men are really leering perverts who envy pedophiles or many men want to see how young the kid looked so they can absolve their own pedophilic tendencies by clearing the kid's image as "too young" for them
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its like, do we really need to see the digital real doll they used to catch these dudes come? would that usually occur? is this really a TechCrunch story in disguise, i mean obviously yes, but that's way gross? is it so we can marvel at its lifelike features like unfeeling taxidermists, or is it so we can finally objectify a child rape survivor without having to feel guilt
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daddyholes posted:

it's creepy and very unusual for this sort of story and i don't understand the point, i could make a few guesses as to why but they would just be guesses based on my biases, such as that many men are really leering perverts who envy pedophiles or many men want to see how young the kid looked so they can absolve their own pedophilic tendencies by clearing the kid's image as "too young" for them



Alternatively, it's the most accurate way to show who these people thought was on the other end of the internet chat. If a case was brought against one of them, the picture and log would be extremely important.

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I guess I just don't see why you feel it's a good or correct thing or feel so vehemently about it that you have to actually register disapproval through a rating system Lykourgos, putting aside your apparent endorsement of pederasty for a moment
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attraction to virtual animes ius 100% natural and you are all self righteuos biggots
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Lykourgos posted:

Alternatively, it's the most accurate way to show who these people thought was on the other end of the internet chat. If a case was brought against one of them, the picture and log would be extremely important.



. . . on NBC News dot com?

#29
although i am glad 2c that the global community is finally recognizing the personhood and legal rights of Virtual Personages and Intelligences. plz lobby your congressmyn
#30

daddyholes posted:

I guess I just don't see why you feel it's a good or correct thing or feel so vehemently about it that you have to actually register disapproval through a rating system Lykourgos, putting aside your apparent endorsement of pederasty for a moment



I'm pretty ambivalent about the whole thing, I'm just kind of flicking through the forum. I downvoted a post because people upvoted it and it seems odd to come up with all these weird theories about why the picture was included. It just seems like a relevant piece of evidence that captures what's going on.

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when did we fly over to "evidence"
#32
personally i think it would be better if they used adult and mentally resilient midgets as bait instead. the influence of sexual exposure on nascent, at-risk A.I.[8] is still poorly understood and potentially dangerous



8. ^ Kurzweil, Ray (2012). Do Andriods Wet Dream of Electric Sheep? New York: Viking Books. ISBN 978-0-670-02529-9.
#33
Lykourgos at least Superabound understands what I'm saying well enough to make posts that are funny because they're not what I'm saying at all
#34
Imagien if all books were illegal, and Amazon.com was an elaborate global sting operation to bust people who wanted to buy books, instead of just a website that sold books to people who wanted them. is there a way to do this
#35
Sorry sir, but as you know all contact sports were banned by the Obama Traumatic Brain Injury Act of 2016. What you just witnessed was a tech demo of Madden 2018 running on the latest PS5 hardware and now you are under a rest
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daddyholes posted:

when did we fly over to "evidence"



It's a story about people trying to solicit a minor, and the evidence is the basis of the story. If you don't like the word "evidence" then just call it the basis, or subject material, or whatever. It's not a big deal, okay

#37
Okay but I still think Virtual Sex Kid pictures are gross and unnecessary, my 2 farthings
#38

Lykourgos posted:

daddyholes posted:

when did we fly over to "evidence"

It's a story about people trying to solicit a minor, and the evidence is the basis of the story. If you don't like the word "evidence" then just call it the basis, or subject material, or whatever. It's not a big deal, okay



what minor, I thought she was cgi

#39
reminds me of the hullabaloo surrounding captain libertaria of silkroad getting arrested. was it really a breach of the non-aggression principle if the person contracted to be murdered wasn't real? in "ethics of liberty", rothbard argues
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Meursault posted:

Lykourgos posted:

daddyholes posted:

when did we fly over to "evidence"

It's a story about people trying to solicit a minor, and the evidence is the basis of the story. If you don't like the word "evidence" then just call it the basis, or subject material, or whatever. It's not a big deal, okay



what minor, I thought she was cgi


Of course it's a minor, that level of facial animation technology can't be more than two years old.