Meursault posted:Maybe I'm just cynical but it seems to me that if you're a mentally ill disabled dude in your thirties who's never had a job, maybe the good job ship has sailed for you. But what do I know. Cheers
oh i'm white. did i forget to mention that?
Meursault posted:Maybe I'm just cynical but it seems to me that if you're a mentally ill disabled dude in your thirties who's never had a job, maybe the good job ship has sailed for you. But what do I know. Cheers
theres always martyrdom and revolutionary terror to fall back on
Superabound posted:Meursault posted:Maybe I'm just cynical but it seems to me that if you're a mentally ill disabled dude in your thirties who's never had a job, maybe the good job ship has sailed for you. But what do I know. Cheers
theres always martyrdom and revolutionary terror to fall back on
Superabound posted:
Superabound posted:.custom194623{}Meursault posted:Maybe I'm just cynical but it seems to me that if you're a mentally ill disabled dude in your thirties who's never had a job, maybe the good job ship has sailed for you. But what do I know. Cheers
theres always martyrdom and revolutionary terror to fall back on
bankers and such. this is also my super-fail fallback plan.
c_man posted:if you have a degree in economics, why not go to grad school for economics?
sure, okay, if you insist.
getfiscal posted:my main goal in life is more just to become informed about topics that interest me, just out of curiosity, and i think i can keep doing that no matter what happens really, so as long as i can pay my bills in the future i'll be happy :angel:
I think you should do econ/polisci graduate work at a university somewhere that is as left as you can practically manage and just see how it goes. you don't have to know exactly where it's gonna go. wracking your brain trying to make a long term definite plan for yourself can be really counterproductive imo. leave yourself the option to change or transfer or get out, if it ends up not being what you want. don't force yourself to lock in to something. i think this is all totally accomplishable for you.
drwhat posted:I think you should do econ/polisci graduate work at a university somewhere that is as left as you can practically manage and just see how it goes. you don't have to know exactly where it's gonna go. wracking your brain trying to make a long term definite plan for yourself can be really counterproductive imo. leave yourself the option to change or transfer or get out, if it ends up not being what you want. don't force yourself to lock in to something. i think this is all totally accomplishable for you.
this. long term life-planning is fine if you really really want to be an engineer or something, but most of the time the best option (imo) is setting yourself up to be simultaneously qualified to do things that are interesting (e.g. developmental/resource economics (or marxist economics if you can get away with it) if you Care About People) or do things that will let you make money and Exist stably in this late-captialist hell (e.g. banking, finance, business economics/econometrics)
VoxNihili posted:i dont know how anyone who posts here could possibly justify working in banking/finance to themselves. instead do, maybe, absolutely anything else? there are lots of ways to make a few bucks if you come from a privileged background, and pretty much all the posters here do
which is going to effectively be no different than working in finance or any position of privilege/power because capitalism exists outside of weird ass ideologues' conceptions of the world
animedad posted:gonna go ahead and take advice from finance guy that drinks every night and cries. or am I keen to the suggestions from insane classics guy that puts away blacks? it's so hard these days to know who to trust. Ill play it safe and take advice from the diapered CIA agent, that is to say, Hello Grad School
U should organize loabor or Kill urself
AmericanNazbro posted:which is going to effectively be no different than working in finance or any position of privilege/power because capitalism exists outside of weird ass ideologues' conceptions of the world
yeah, trading derivatives is morally equivalent to being a doctor or an architect. *i smash my head into a window and eat the glass shards, then grin bloodily at you* all jobs that involve money at all are equally evil. if you buy food with money you earn, youre hitler
AmericanNazbro posted:VoxNihili posted:i dont know how anyone who posts here could possibly justify working in banking/finance to themselves. instead do, maybe, absolutely anything else? there are lots of ways to make a few bucks if you come from a privileged background, and pretty much all the posters here do
which is going to effectively be no different than working in finance or any position of privilege/power because capitalism exists outside of weird ass ideologues' conceptions of the world
lol this is the argument for prostitution legalization
VoxNihili posted:yeah, trading derivatives is morally equivalent to being a doctor or an architect. *i smash my head into a window and eat the glass shards, then grin bloodily at you* all jobs that involve money at all are equally evil. if you buy food with money you earn, youre hitler
realtalk how is being an architect any better in the abstract? sure you can design a fancy art building, but you could just as well manage the investment portfolio of some art museum, and i dont see how they are morally differentiated because the funds to make huge extravagant fancy buildings come directly from the exploitation that the finance people are involved in. doesnt what your specific application of the career have more of a moral dimension than the type of career?
c_man posted:VoxNihili posted:
yeah, trading derivatives is morally equivalent to being a doctor or an architect. *i smash my head into a window and eat the glass shards, then grin bloodily at you* all jobs that involve money at all are equally evil. if you buy food with money you earn, youre hitler
realtalk how is being an architect any better in the abstract? sure you can design a fancy art building, but you could just as well manage the investment portfolio of some art museum, and i dont see how they are morally differentiated because the funds to make huge extravagant fancy buildings come directly from the exploitation that the finance people are involved in. doesnt what your specific application of the career have more of a moral dimension than the type of career?
from the horse's mouth:
"People who work in financial markets are not merely symbols but practitioners of liberty"
working the levers is definitely a few degrees more awful than playing around with the money that shoots out. Your last sentence is true but i imagine in finance its a lot more likely you'll be applying some force on those levers?
like you wouldnt vote for obama probably, but this...?
Crow posted:animedad posted:gonna go ahead and take advice from finance guy that drinks every night and cries. or am I keen to the suggestions from insane classics guy that puts away blacks? it's so hard these days to know who to trust. Ill play it safe and take advice from the diapered CIA agent, that is to say, Hello Grad School
U should organize loabor or Kill urself
Awful idea. Moralism is the way forward; don't just redirect people's attention within the petty field of economic/workplace relations, but rather elevate us all and work to properly order society in a hierarchy that is based on the good. I would sooner put people in Christian pews than some commie meeting. Stuff all economists, either side of the aisle.
Lykourgos posted:Crow posted:animedad posted:gonna go ahead and take advice from finance guy that drinks every night and cries. or am I keen to the suggestions from insane classics guy that puts away blacks? it's so hard these days to know who to trust. Ill play it safe and take advice from the diapered CIA agent, that is to say, Hello Grad School
U should organize loabor or Kill urself
Awful idea. Moralism is the way forward; don't just redirect people's attention within the petty field of economic/workplace relations, but rather elevate us all and work to properly order society in a hierarchy that is based on the good. I would sooner put people in Christian pews than some commie meeting. Stuff all economists, either side of the aisle.
Thats what a communist is you Idiot. You damn fools. An architect can build on finance capital's money or on any money or on simply labor. You damn Idiot Fools
roseweird posted:serious question: do you practice asceticism
Serious answer: no, not really. I avoid many things based on certain principles, but then I still do other things that do give pleasure and waste time. I don't think you can say you practice asceticism if you have eggs on toast each morning, or at least a bowl of porridge with golden syrup; same if you play video games/post on rhizzone after a long day of work, even though you know you ought to do something else. I have some ascetic practices, though, and want to be more focused and heavily restrict pointless activities.
c_man posted:VoxNihili posted:
yeah, trading derivatives is morally equivalent to being a doctor or an architect. *i smash my head into a window and eat the glass shards, then grin bloodily at you* all jobs that involve money at all are equally evil. if you buy food with money you earn, youre hitler
realtalk how is being an architect any better in the abstract? sure you can design a fancy art building, but you could just as well manage the investment portfolio of some art museum, and i dont see how they are morally differentiated because the funds to make huge extravagant fancy buildings come directly from the exploitation that the finance people are involved in. doesnt what your specific application of the career have more of a moral dimension than the type of career?
idk even in the abstract, in conceptual theory terms, whatever, investment banks -are- capitalism. it is pretty much the purest form.
but doctors in capitalist society are generally fucking monsters anyway, and architecture is completely up its own ass. how much capital goes into making 500-million-dollar unusable space because some impossibly rich people want to look at it sometimes
everyone should shoot themselves, basically, not just me. p.s. re earlier post i actually quit crying and have fully embraced my living death. it's not so bad. my new bar of self-respect is "at least I'm not Lykourgos"
c_man posted:VoxNihili posted:yeah, trading derivatives is morally equivalent to being a doctor or an architect. *i smash my head into a window and eat the glass shards, then grin bloodily at you* all jobs that involve money at all are equally evil. if you buy food with money you earn, youre hitler
realtalk how is being an architect any better in the abstract? sure you can design a fancy art building, but you could just as well manage the investment portfolio of some art museum, and i dont see how they are morally differentiated because the funds to make huge extravagant fancy buildings come directly from the exploitation that the finance people are involved in. doesnt what your specific application of the career have more of a moral dimension than the type of career?
architects design buildings. buildings are a necessity in our society. buildings provide shelter and can house important institutions. at the very least, architects make buildings safer.
i dont believe that trading stocks and futures etc. benefits society. i think the net result is simply moving wealth from certain individuals and classes to other individuals and classes.
the fact that architects are relatively closely connected to capital isnt particularly damning- almost every gainfully employed person is. those in finance, however, actively make things worse
Lykourgos posted:Right, and like I said, you're a middling person who'll live and die with no real qualities worth mentioning. Not the end of the world by any means, just know your place and don't forget yourself.
Getfiscal may be misguided in his appeals to liberalism but I know at heart he is a good marxist and a nice dude. Grumblefish, you on the other hand are some weird guy who no one liked in LF, no one likes here, and have been posting with the same obnoxious gimmick for about 10 years. Please kill yourself