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maybe they don't trust the money system. seems like they think something is going to collapse
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roseweird posted:

maybe hoarding is just a primitive human economic behavior? i mean i think it's interesting that superabound points out that they don't keep things because they like them or have intrinsic value to the hoarder, but because the hoarder imagines they have potential usefulness or trade value. i know when i'm throwing things out i pause for a moment to think "can i do something with this? or can i trade or sell it?" but since i'm not a hoarder my answer is almost always "no" and i throw the thing out. hoarding/nesting seems instinctual, though, and capitalism in one sense seems to encourage it via consumerism, but it also discourages it by abstracting a person's resources as capital (don't need to worry about stockpiling things when capital can quickly assemble stockpiles for you). are hoarders ever wealthy (well, i guess the wealthy are just very organized hoarders with more expensive stuff)? it seems they must be either people who distrust the ability of capital to provide for them in some way or people who have turned to this as a neurotic adaptation to hopelessness within a capitalist system

when you hate nails every problem starts to look like a nail

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Hwo does it feel, all of you posters, that the shitshitting DSM, of all diagnostic manuals, has a more enlightened and balanced understanding of hoarding clinicial illness than You
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my balcony is literally covered with plastic bags full of cigarette butts but it's because im lazy and also gross
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swampman posted:

Hwo does it feel, all of you posters, that the shitshitting DSM, of all diagnostic manuals, has a more enlightened and balanced understanding of hoarding clinicial illness than You



its the pernicious influence of psychoanalysis, where post-hoc rationalisations for behaviour are taken as the thing itself

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"hoarders" is another made up thing obama and the feminazis came up with to take our guns an oppress men
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"stash" of guns. "hoarding" weapons. see the type of dangerous discriminatory language they use? like i'm some kind of crazy person just for canning water in preperation for the RAHOWA
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hrm yes let me get rid off all my "trash" and move it to a "trash pile" where ill never see it again but it will remain for hundreds if not thousands of years. problem solved. good one
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EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

"stash" of guns. "hoarding" weapons. see the type of dangerous discriminatory language they use? like i'm some kind of crazy person just for canning water in preperation for the RAHOWA

http://www.euronews.com/2013/07/16/neo-nazi-and-black-metal-star-varg-vikernes-arrested-in-france-/

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Makeshift_Swahili posted:

hrm yes let me get rid off all my "trash" and move it to a "trash pile" where ill never see it again but it will remain for hundreds if not thousands of years. problem solved. good one



it has been ever thus

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harass posted:

hoarders are fascinating. but on the contrary, i don't think to assume 'capitalism' at all. the basic premise of capitalism is scarcity.
the majority of consumers have to weigh in on whether outlay of resources is worth the item/service purchased.
hoarders are unable to assess value.
they almost seem to operate in their own little post-scarcity bubble.



its actually the opposite. they assign infinite value and scarcity to all possessions, even garbage, sometimes even bodily wastes. i wasnt joking when i described it as a mammalian nesting response. their lives have become a continual state of hibernation preparation--they are always acquiring resources, building up stores for the lean times, because in their minds Winter is Always Coming

incredibly non-surprisingly enough, a very large percentage of hoarders also suffer from major childhood abandonment issues

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roseweird posted:

are you really trying to make me feel bad for being a person babbling on the internet

No, I think you probably already feel bad enough about that... Just saying any explanation of why humans spaz out, that doesnt account for childhood experience, possibly nonchildhood experience, biochemistry/androgeny, other(???), is going to give you the habits when you think in the future. Can i tell you a story? One time I said a crazy f*ked up thing, because I had been in the habit of saying and thinking those things in a context of the funny humor. Only that time, who could know I was joking? Its the same way with general knowledge, where if you think illogically all the time, suddenly you lapse into bad logic right when logic could save you. One example of where this might happen, for most people reading this, is while playing a video game. Need I say more? If so it will have to wait because this post is over.

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I Choose to Stand My Ground against the brutal thuggish assaults of Irony and Illogical Thinking.
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sometimes "twice two is five" is a charming thing
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Superabound posted:

its actually the opposite. they assign infinite value and scarcity to all possessions, even garbage, sometimes even bodily wastes. i wasnt joking when i described it as a mammalian nesting response. their lives have become a continual state of hibernation preparation--they are always acquiring resources, building up stores for the lean times, because in their minds Winter is Always Coming

incredibly non-surprisingly enough, a very large percentage of hoarders also suffer from major childhood abandonment issues



well okay Superabound. that is wayyy better than what i wrote.

note to self: writing without thinking is fraught with risk, since it may provoke someone else to respond with better arguments and reasons.

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its cool, not everyone has the benefit of several decades worth of direct hands-on immersive experience with the subject
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"While the miser is merely a capitalist gone mad, the capitalist is a rational miser."

-Stalin
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Superabound posted:

its cool, not everyone has the benefit of several decades worth of direct hands-on immersive experience with the subject



you are kind.
plus, you knew about hoarding ... before it was cool.

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codywilson posted:

sometimes "twice two is five" is a charming thing



wait. what. is this in reference to me?

well, what can i say?
i comez up wif mah theroiez all by mah self

oh, so it is not.
well what can i say? narcism: it is the pathology of my generation

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I'd rather be "addicted" to the presence of a single object than hoard objects in general.



It would basically turn your life into LOTR
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harass posted:

codywilson posted:

sometimes "twice two is five" is a charming thing

wait. what. is this in reference to me?

well, what can i say?
i comez up wif mah theroiez all by mah self

oh, so it is not.
well what can i say? narcism: it is the pathology of my generation



no no, it's in response to superbounds comment about standing his ground against illogical thinking.

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Superabound posted:

harass posted:

hoarders are fascinating. but on the contrary, i don't think to assume 'capitalism' at all. the basic premise of capitalism is scarcity.
the majority of consumers have to weigh in on whether outlay of resources is worth the item/service purchased.
hoarders are unable to assess value.
they almost seem to operate in their own little post-scarcity bubble.

its actually the opposite. they assign infinite value and scarcity to all possessions, even garbage, sometimes even bodily wastes. i wasnt joking when i described it as a mammalian nesting response. their lives have become a continual state of hibernation preparation--they are always acquiring resources, building up stores for the lean times, because in their minds Winter is Always Coming

incredibly non-surprisingly enough, a very large percentage of hoarders also suffer from major childhood abandonment issues



You don't have any evidence hoarding is related to "nesting" in humans, or "hibernation preparation," which are not behaviors ascribed to most (any?) primates, and unlikely to have been present in any recent human ancestors. Let's keep Rhizzone an Evolutionary Psychology-free zone please.

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Squalid posted:

You don't have any evidence hoarding is related to "nesting" in humans, or "hibernation preparation," which are not behaviors ascribed to most (any?) primates, and unlikely to have been present in any recent human ancestors.



yeah well neither is Capitalism

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Evolutionary psychologists have addressed many of their critics (see, for example, books by Segerstråle (2000), Defenders of the Truth: The Battle for Science in the Sociobiology Debate and Beyond, Barkow (2005), Missing the Revolution: Darwinism for Social Scientists, and Alcock (2001), The Triumph of Sociobiology.). Among their rebuttals are that some criticisms are straw men, are based on an incorrect nature vs. nurture dichotomy, are based on misunderstandings of the discipline, etc. Robert Kurzban suggested that " ...critics of the field, when they err, are not slightly missing the mark. Their confusion is deep and profound. It’s not like they are marksman who can’t quite hit the center of the target; they’re holding the gun backwards."
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EvoPsych: Kill Yourself
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i hate straw men as much as i hate "nice guys"
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i love straw men. they keep Crows and political argument defeats away from your vulnerable postcrops
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freudian concepts as drivers of geopolitics and the phenomenology of sociological change is valid and can explain things, but evolutionary psychology is a no no because it's not backed up in provable facts
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littlegreenpills posted:

freudian concepts as drivers of geopolitics and the phenomenology of sociological change is valid and can explain things, but evolutionary psychology is a no no because it's not backed up in provable facts



which necessarily places it squarely on the same playing field as religion and economics. so thank god neither of those things are considered valid drivers of geopolitics either!

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although i guess evopsych's presumption of actually making a lick of sense brings with it an increased expectation of falsifiability that Religion and Economics simply dont bear
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I went to the slc dump a while ago and there's a huge concrete trough everyone backs up to and dumps their perfectly good matresses or bed frames or bikes into, its like a herd of two legged alpacas shitting in unison or something, its fucking insane. the part of the dump where just any old dude can dump stuff into the trough is also called "citizen unload" which is my new band name, the name of my movie project about an anonymous vigilante who "unloads" into corrupt politicians and child molesters, my actual irl for real proper name, and the euphemism I use to refer to the bathroom.
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anyway hoarders are cool. if you're not going to fix up that t-bird frame rusting in your back yard your grandkid is going to. that's my outlook.
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i wish i had access to a good central city dump. here we just use our driveways and random stretches of highway
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yeah salt lake is nice, there's a magical time every spring I think when you can leave anything you can drag to the curb, on the curb, and after all the meth heads have come by and taken the metal for meth money and after all the hipsters have come by and taken the nice wood for their rickety self-made furniture, the city comes by and takes the rest of it to the dump. the system works.

there's a scene in a rap music video someone made in salt lake where they drove down a street "in the hood" and showed all the piles of trash and its like, dude, that's not fair, you're giving people the wrong idea.
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Superabound posted:

i wish i had access to a good central city dump. here we just use our driveways and random stretches of highway



good shit. we use creeks and roadside drainage ditches

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if you havent burned yr trash in a yard/dumped offal in a gully youre def a booswah pig