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What is behind this compulsive accumulation of goods and products, often to the detriment of a person's health and their relationships with others? I think we can assume 'capitalism' but how is this manifested exactly, and also perhaps we who throw things away so carelessly are the real crazy ones. Is it ethical to film these people? Is it ethical to throw their shit away?


and jools in case you're tempted please don't gas this garbage, you never know when you might need it.
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this is actually an interesting question though
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mammalian nesting response to psychic injury caused by Bad Posting
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the quasi reification of the house of memory mixed with a desire to maintain control over fractured domestic spaces and a twist of neurotic impulse
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people just dont want to clean up after themselves. so they develop incredible emotional attachments as timesaving devices. well thats how i feel anyway.
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and what is the difference between a hoarder and someone who has enough money to do pretty much whatever they want but continues to work 60 hour weeks to make still more i.e. the people who rule the world
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thirdplace posted:

and what is the difference between a hoarder and someone who has enough money to do pretty much whatever they want but continues to work 60 hour weeks to make still more i.e. the people who rule the world


they hire maids. looks like job crew needs to do a house cleaning.

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thirdplace posted:

and what is the difference between a hoarder and someone who has enough money to do pretty much whatever they want but continues to work 60 hour weeks to make still more i.e. the people who rule the world

probably that the hoarder chooses to live in dangerous and dirty conditions

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"chooses"
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i don't know shit about hoarders maybe if they had nine figures in the bank they'd still live masuka-style but maybe they wouldn't
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they're some of the nicest people you'll ever meet
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This is the result: the more Leonia expels goods, the more it accumulates them; the scales of its past are soldered into a cuirass that cannot be removed. As the city is renewed each day, it preserves all of itself in its only definitive form: yesterday's sweepings piled up on the sweepings of the day before yesterday and of all of its days and years and decades.
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i had a hoarder subleasing at my apartment and by the end of the first week he had over a foot of garbage in his room. it was gross and we got him kicked out cause it was a health hazard.
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Watch to t=32:45

edt: wtf why isn't the video showing up
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the way the youtube tag has been implemented, the only thing you need to place within it is the video id (the number-letter combination in the URL that follows "v=" and before any ampersand (& sign) that follows it)
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thanks. ill probably just forget again 6 months from now thte next time I post a video, but, nevertheless, thanks
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jools posted:

this is actually an interesting question though



well yeah that's why i posted it

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innsmouthful posted:

i had a hoarder subleasing at my apartment and by the end of the first week he had over a foot of garbage in his room. it was gross and we got him kicked out cause it was a health hazard.



i can't believe you put your fellow rhizzone poster Emmanual out on the street like that

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Ironicwarcriminal posted:

i can't believe you put your fellow rhizzone poster Emmanual out on the street like that



i bet you would've done the same thing if you were tripping over as many pizza boxes as i was

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i'm a packrat in that i have trouble throwing out old magazines, school papers and such but "hoarders" if i'm not mistaken literally collect used band-aids and the like, right?
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i think its some kind of emotional reaction to capitalism's affluence that haunts those that cant keep up with change or don't want to let go of the things that someone once told them were really important. also i have a feeling its some kind of resurfacing of animism and superstition plays a role in it
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what about hoarders who start hoarding poop and pee as well
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HenryKrinkle posted:

i'm a packrat in that i have trouble throwing out old magazines, school papers and such but "hoarders" if i'm not mistaken literally collect used band-aids and the like, right?

packrat is the euphemism hoarders use to describe themselves

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jools posted:

what about hoarders who start hoarding poop and pee as well

Thats what im positin. These hoarders on the shows, sometimes they come from generations of hoarders. Sometimes they grew up in harsh conditions and sometimes they grew up losing pets or moving a lot. But the 1 common factor? The mess is always beyond their ability to control. They look at mess and think this is beyond my power to handle. And i think a lot of it is, that people dont know how to clean, and a big clutter full of decisions becomes frightening task. They get spooked by their incompetence and ashamed to bring in helper. So like a deer in headlights they begin pooping in zip locks.

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Why are you ziplocking deer poop?
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parabolart posted:

i think its some kind of emotional reaction to capitalism's affluence that haunts those that cant keep up with change or don't want to let go of the things that someone once told them were really important. also i have a feeling its some kind of resurfacing of animism and superstition plays a role in it



its a perfect storm of pathological oversentimentality, object fetishism, obsessive reminiscence, and extreme procrastination

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one thing they always have in common is the overwhelming insistence that theyre always "going to do something with" or "might need" literally any object you want them to get rid of, without ever being able to articulate exactly what, when, or how
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hoarding is a formal Mental Disease You Can Have under the new dsm V
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i don't hoard irl but man in rpgs i hoard everything. any game really, i just try and get all the items i can get and never use any items. i'll complete the game without ever using any high level/rare healing items and go out of my way to collect useless junk. luckily this approach to video games doesn't translate to real life; i suppose i'm good at differentiating between the two.
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also i really hate games with max item storage that make you throw out old/useless items to make room for potentially useful/better items
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:

I think we can assume 'capitalism' but how is this manifested exactly,



hoarders are fascinating. but on the contrary, i don't think to assume 'capitalism' at all. the basic premise of capitalism is scarcity.
the majority of consumers have to weigh in on whether outlay of resources is worth the item/service purchased.
hoarders are unable to assess value.
they almost seem to operate in their own little post-scarcity bubble.

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thirdplace posted:

and what is the difference between a hoarder and someone who has enough money to do pretty much whatever they want but continues to work 60 hour weeks to make still more i.e. the people who rule the world


“This boundless greed after riches, this passionate chase after exchange-value is common to the capitalist and the miser; but while the miser is merely a capitalist gone mad, the capitalist is a rational miser.”

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codywilson posted:

i don't hoard irl but man in rpgs i hoard everything. any game really, i just try and get all the items i can get and never use any items. i'll complete the game without ever using any high level/rare healing items and go out of my way to collect useless junk. luckily this approach to video games doesn't translate to real life; i suppose i'm good at differentiating between the two.


Superabound posted:

one thing they always have in common is the overwhelming insistence that theyre always "going to do something with" or "might need" literally any object you want them to get rid of, without ever being able to articulate exactly what, when, or how


yeah im like that with rpgs too its weird . . .

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tentativelurkeraccount posted:

thirdplace posted:

and what is the difference between a hoarder and someone who has enough money to do pretty much whatever they want but continues to work 60 hour weeks to make still more i.e. the people who rule the world


“This boundless greed after riches, this passionate chase after exchange-value is common to the capitalist and the miser; but while the miser is merely a capitalist gone mad, the capitalist is a rational miser.”


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Being a hoarder seems fairly cool
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I agree with roseweird btw. It's also cool to see people's lawns when they cover every square foot with various awful shiny lawn ornaments and baubles, it's like so obvious we're not that far off from the rats or crows or whatever...... there were a bunch of houses like that in my old neighborhood, and a ton of houses where the closed in front porch was just completely packed in with boxes and stacks of junk. Urbana IL is like hoarder central or something