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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Pentagon says the U.S. is paying six times more than before to send war supplies to troops in Afghanistan through alternate routes since Pakistan's punitive decision in November to close border crossings to NATO convoys.

Pentagon figures provided to The Associated Press show it now costs about $104 million per month to move the supplies through a longer northern route, $87 million more a month than when the cargo moved through Pakistan. Islamabad shut down two key Pakistan border crossings after a U.S. airstrike killed two dozen Pakistani soldiers in late November, and it is unclear when it might reopen them.

U.S. officials have acknowledged that using alternate transportation routes for Afghan war supplies is more expensive and takes longer, but the total costs had not been revealed until now.



http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5heeNPsnaiMdesV7O8ampFSmrd7UA

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they're going thru uzbekistan and into mazar?
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hahaha that's hilarious. the costs were already completely ludicrous, e.g. http://www.rhizzone.net/forum/topic/512/
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woah hold on, someone translate the figures in the op into big macs so that americans can understand
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Lol who would have guessed 25 years ago that armoured columns would still be rolling into Afghanistan from Uzbek SSR but would be Americans, not Russians.

What a wacky world.
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the soviets should ahve invaded more countries imo
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gyrofry posted:
the soviets should ahve invaded more countries imo



downvoted like a mf'er

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i didnt say which ones
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love 1980 newspapers http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=K6MyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ee4FAAAAIBAJ&pg=6621%2C2293006
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so far everything u posted is correct and fine aerdil
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correct and fine

fine and correct

swag
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babyfinland who would you cheer for watching Rambo 3
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i havent seen it whats the set up
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i unironically approve of all 80s glorification of afghanistan by americans so the afghanis i guess?
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Yeah it's pretty much that

He takes down a Russian chopper by driving a tank into it i think.

Also the Russian general wants to know where the missiles are and Rambo says "close"....the general asked "how close" and Rambo says "...in your ass!"

one of the great lines of cinema history imho
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ali ahmed jalali's book of mujahideen stories is the best

http://www.amazon.com/Afghan-Guerrilla-Warfare-Mujahideen-Fighters/dp/0760313229/ref=pd_sim_b_2
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs , that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.

B: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.
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mchenry teaches at georgetown now apparently, i kinda want to email him and ask if he knowingly lied in the 80s about US aid to afghanistan and see if he flippantly responds or just ignores the email

edit: ahahha http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=829674
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aerdil posted:
mchenry teaches at georgetown now apparently, i kinda want to email him and ask if he knowingly lied in the 80s about US aid to afghanistan and see if he flippantly responds or just ignores the email



do it and post the video

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aerdil posted:
mchenry teaches at georgetown now apparently, i kinda want to email him and ask if he knowingly lied in the 80s about US aid to afghanistan and see if he flippantly responds or just ignores the email

edit: ahahha http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=829674



lol

In August 1979, McHenry was the principal negotiator for the United States when a Soviet airliner carrying Russian ballerina Ludmila Vlasova was prevented from taking off by Port Authority Police. Acting Secretary of State Warren Christopher had ordered the interception because Vlasova's husband, Alexander Godunov, who had defected two days earlier had expressed his belief that his wife was returning to the Soviet Union against her will. Vlasova steadily maintained that she was returning voluntarily, but the U.S. representation was unwilling to accept her statement unless they could speak with her in the absence of Soviet officials. This request was denied.

Eventually Soviet officials allowed Vlasova to speak with U.S. representatives in a mobile lounge that was brought up to the plane. She convinced them that she was not returning under coercion, and the plane took off with Vlasova on board.



WOW!!! Amazing work!!! "We will pay you $200k and give you a brand new house, in the suburbs, wouldn't you like that? You'd like that, wouldn't you? We can set you up with a ballet company in NY, I promise. I love you. America USA #1 Really Good. Come here i miss u" *attempts to stick can of coca cola in her hands*

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probably the most relevant place to put this:

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/64896

US provided humvees are being used to quell uprisings (a.k.a kill civilians) in Kazakhstan. Not surprising but it's nice to see it laid out so obviously.
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probably the most relevant place to put this:

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/64896

US provided humvees are being used to quell uprisings (a.k.a kill civilians) in Kazakhstan. Not surprising but it's nice to see it laid out so obviously.



THE GREAT GAME AINT GONNA PLAY ITSELF BUDDY

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Ironicwarcriminal posted:
probably the most relevant place to put this:

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/64896

US provided humvees are being used to quell uprisings (a.k.a kill civilians) in Kazakhstan. Not surprising but it's nice to see it laid out so obviously.



its ok, the talibs are using humvees too

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/feb/13/nickpatonwalsh

The elderly mother of a religious prisoner allegedly boiled to death by Uzbekistan's secret police has been sentenced to six years in a maximum security jail after she made public her son's torture.
Fatima Mukhadirova, 63, a former market vegetable seller, is the mother of Muzafar Avazov, who died in the notorious Jaslik high security jail in 2002. She was convicted of attempting to "overthrow the constitutional order".



What a horribly repressive government! We could never do business...

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/64824

Because Pakistan does not offer a reliable supply route to Afghanistan, Washington has turned to post-Soviet Central Asia for a transit corridor. Most supplies for the NATO war effort now arrive via the Northern Distribution Network, a web of rail and truck traffic that ultimately bottlenecks in Uzbekistan before crossing over into northern Afghanistan.



THEY SUPPORT DE TWOOPS!!!! Holy shit, why didn't anyone say!?!

*raises arm with unbending fervor*

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hopefully these are going somewhere exciting too!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cce_1327186660