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he did these things because he owns
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Impper posted:
he did these things because he owns


of course he owns according to you, since helping coup marxists is less important than possessing the right Aesthetics. this is because you're fucking crazy as hell and only latched on to marxism for similar reasons to Goldsmith.

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Impper posted:
he did these things because he owns

of course he owns according to you, since helping coup marxists is less important than possessing the right Aesthetics. this is because you're fucking crazy as hell and only latched on to marxism for similar reasons to Goldsmith.

If you lkeep trolling you WILL be banned.

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who is DasReich
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also since when is gaddafi aesthetical. he is fairly unaesthetic except in his politics
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also what are goldsmith's reason for marxisms? i speculated it is becaus ethat will help him kill more people
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Crow posted:

DasReich posted:

Impper posted:
he did these things because he owns

of course he owns according to you, since helping coup marxists is less important than possessing the right Aesthetics. this is because you're fucking crazy as hell and only latched on to marxism for similar reasons to Goldsmith.

If you lkeep trolling you WILL be banned.

ffinally, finally i can have all the leftist navelgazing i've ever wanted, secure under the watchful eye of baby finland, homophobic mentally unstable racist. its all ive ever desired, a marxist D&D



exactly

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Impper posted:
also what are goldsmith's reason for marxisms? i speculated it is becaus ethat will help him kill more people


that was the joke :ssh:

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BAN 08/23/11 05:09pm DasReich Faggot Nigger Kike Kafir BABY FINLAND BABY FINLAND
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DasReich posted:
Impper posted:
also what are goldsmith's reason for marxisms? i speculated it is becaus ethat will help him kill more people

that was the joke :ssh:


why would you make that joke about me when i've already made it about myself. this is ridiculous smh

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This guy is a weirdo and a CREEPY and please get over here im gonna have a panic attack hes a stalker & a weirdo. Catherine please call tommy asap
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whos that guy. the guy in the institute
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infrateal posted:
whos that guy. the guy in the institute


a menace 2 society

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its maggotmaster
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also wow @ putting him in there already. fascist much? #wow #whoa
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Shari'a Law and Order
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the media doesn't give a fuck whatsoever anymore. you wouldn't know that the WH repeatedly told congress to just fuck off (including during the debt ceiling thing). poor Dennis
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http://www.workers.org/2011/us/stevens_0811/

Johnnie Stevens of Workers World Party gave the following talk at the July 30 meeting in New York’s Riverside Church protesting the war against Libya.Attacking Libya is attacking Africa!

The war against Libya is a colonial war against all of Africa!

I want to ask you all to come out on Sat., Aug. 13, to march in Harlem against the attacks on Libya and Zimbabwe and against the economic cuts of teachers and workers. Who’s all coming out for the march in Harlem, please stand up.

(The audience stood up.)

Our party’s first demonstration was in 1959 at Rockefeller Center in defense of Congo. This great country in the center of Africa was then still a colony of Belgium. Less than two years later, the CIA and Belgian colonialists tortured and murdered Congolese leader Patrice Lumumba on Jan. 17, 1961. President Eisenhower ordered Lumumba’s assassination.

The U.S., France, Britain and Italy are trying to recolonize Libya today, just like they recolonized Congo 50 years ago.

Back then the colonialists used a traitor named Moise Tshombe to seize mineral-rich Katanga province. Today the Libyan traitors have seized Benghazi.

The Rockefellers had a major stake in the Belgian mining giant Union Minière that exploited Congo’s incredible mineral wealth, particularly in Katanga province.

Everybody knows the current war against Libya is a bloody oil war. Libya has the greatest petroleum reserves of any country in Africa.

Big Oil ordered the bombs that have been dropped on the children of Libya. And the Rockefeller dynasty is still the biggest family among all the oil billionaires. These pigs have been exploiting Africa for a century.

It was David Rockefeller — then the chair of Chase Manhattan Bank — who saved South Africa’s apartheid regime from bankruptcy following the Sharpeville massacre in 1960.

Libya is a former Italian colony. Hundreds of thousands of Libyans were killed by the fascist dictator Benito Mussolini, who was finally strung up by Italian workers.

Mussolini invaded Ethiopia. Just like oppressed people stood with Ethiopia in 1935, so do we stand with Libya today against imperialist assault.

These imperialists lie when they claim they’re for “democracy” in Libya. Who elected the so-called rebels in Libya? Nobody!

These rebels in Libya are no different than the Confederate rebels, Jefferson Davis and Stonewall Jackson. The Libyan rebels have lynched Black African workers. Racist murals attacking Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi can be seen in the rebel capital of Benghazi.

The great ally and servant of Big Oil — the military-industrial complex — has also made big bucks from attacking Libya. Hundreds of cruise missiles have been fired at Libya, and now the stockpile has to be replaced. That’s plenty of good business for Boeing, Lockheed and the rest of the merchants of death.

Each of these cruise missiles cost at least $1.4 million. That’s enough money to hire 20 teachers. Yet billionaire Mayor Bloomberg has cut thousands of teacher jobs in New York City.

The military-industrial complex is also making thousands of drones that are killing people from Pakistan and Afghanistan to Libya. Drones are being used to hunt Gadhafi.

And they’re going to be used by the cops right here in the U.S. — if they aren’t being used already. J. Edgar Hoover and Cointelpro would have loved to use drones to hunt the Panthers and Sister Angela Davis.

But as Dr. Huey P. Newton said, the power of the people is greater than the man’s technology. The people united will defeat the drones.

The war against Libya is a racist war. It’s accompanied by increased racism inside the United States.

The former head of the International Monetary Fund, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, is a rapist pig. We stand with Nafissatou Diallo, the survivor of Strauss-Kahn’s rape. The media, like the vile New York Post, have smeared this brave hotel worker, who is an immigrant from Guinea.

Strauss-Kahn must be punished for raping Nafissatou Diallo. As the former head of the IMF, Strauss-Kahn must be punished for raping poor countries, from Asia to Africa to Latin America.

Libya — the real Libya of working people who resist the continual U.S./NATO bombing — is not alone. The countries of the world’s “South” have said no to the war against Libya. The president of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez Frías, has led the way in defending Libya. All of us here are wishing a speedy recovery to President Chávez!

The African Union has also denounced the war against Libya. But the capitalist media has ignored this real news. They’re too busy demonizing African leaders like Gadhafi and Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe.

Zimbabwe is also on imperialism’s hit list. Mugabe has given farms to thousands of Africans whose land was stolen by colonialists. This is what should have happened in the United States following the Civil War.

Get out of Libya! Hands off Zimbabwe!

Forward to a united socialist Africa!

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the media doesn't give a fuck whatsoever anymore. you wouldn't know that the WH repeatedly told congress to just fuck off (including during the debt ceiling thing). poor Dennis :(

Speaking of Dennis, am i the only one that just found out his district is about to be erased from existence meaning he'll lose his seat unless he goes elsewhere

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Speaking of Dennis, am i the only one that just found out his district is about to be erased from existence meaning he'll lose his seat unless he goes elsewhere

Well his area will still be represented, right? So he could run in the primary against one of the other Cleveland reps.

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yeah but that will make the demographics less favorable and he'll be challenging an incumbent and i read an article that he's looking at towns in oregon or something.
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He said he'd run in WA if he loses his seat
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A good article about the Left's pro-NATO propaganda, heres a bit from the beginning

http://panafricannews.blogspot.com/2011/08/left-spreads-misinformation-about-libya_29.html

NATO doesn’t look for love letters since the fact that they are psychopaths is fairly well known. The Milne article is addressing a readership which is only too aware of NATO criminal tendencies. But NATO would be delighted that the opposition had concede two fundamental pillars of its propaganda on Libya.

Firstly, that Gaddafi had fallen and secondly, that this was grounds for popular celebration in Libya. Those two assumptions give NATO all they need for the next stage of their campaign, the installation of a virtual government in Tripoli which can be declared legitimate because Gaddafi is no more and because the people support it and which can invite a NATO stabilisation force into Libya to help defeat the Gaddafi forces

I also argued to my friend that this kind of article serves as a template for the British left where for all the fine points, the sophistries of left-think, the anti-NATO and anti-imperialist sentiments, these two lies would always be there, hidden, as in the Milne article or in plain sight.

I said lies since there is no evidence for the claim that Gaddafi regime has been defeated. The fact that a fierce power struggle is still going on in Tripoli is one reason why the African Union said they could not recognise the TNC: it would have to be in power. Also why would the TNC invite in NATO ground forces, as reported by TeleSur, to support them if they had won. Why would revolutionary Tripoli be subject to a media blackout if it was in the hands of triumphant revolutionaries and its euphoric supporters.

It is also a lie that there have been mass celebrations: even the media montage which showed “Green Square” being taken over only showed unsavoury looking militants. Where were the people? Could you have imagined a total blackout of Tahrir Square in the midst of those great events in January? Where is Aljazeera to show us jubilant Tripoli. There are no scenes of joy in Tripoli: only a descent into hell.






Significant factions of the US Left did the same exact thing during the Yugoslavia bombings, by completely consenting with the NATO narrative of "we're taking out a Bad Person and bringing Democracy", it is inherently pro-war. It shifts the disagreement from "this is a war based on lies" to "this war isnt the right way to get Bad People out of power", a much weaker anti-imperialist position.
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that's a good article, correct on every point without devolving into conspiracy type thinking, which while i don't mind too much, always strikes me as a form of self-censorship
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conspiracy type thinking is self-censorship? what?
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conspiracy type thinking is self-censorship? what?



He means that since the majority of people (even most leftists) won't take you seriously, will believe you to be a loon, framing your analysis as a conspiracy theory implicitly marginalizes yourself.

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yeah, exactly. even giving off a whiff of conspiratorial thought will immediately disqualify you by just about everybody on the ideological spectrum, regardless of the truth of your claims. there are two components to it:

first, there's an endless supply of actual schizophrenics and other madmen types who think exclusively along these lines, which goes a long way to discredit this type of thinking. probably what's insidious about this is that if you look at the claims and axioms that these types and take them seriously, or even if you don't, a lot of what they do is actually analytically sound, it's only that this sort of thing never leads to anything, and almost rightly comes across to any sort of mainstream as insanity.

secondly, there's the incredible extent to which people like matt taibbi go to discredit conspiracy theorists. taibbi is ostensibly anti-capitalist and takes good lines on most things, but he's even more concerned that people who take him seriously are not "embarrassing," and not "crazy," so he dedicates just as much time and energy to discrediting conspiracy theorists as he does to going after capitalist abusers, even though he's on the same side as the theorists in most cases.

i can't remember who it was that said the best way to discredit any theory is to argue for it stupidly, but this is imo something that should be taken seriously
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/america-gets-set-to-enjoy-month-or-so-of-libya-see,21228/

America Gets Set To Enjoy Month Or So Of Libya Seeming Like Symbol Of Freedom

GRAND RAPIDS, MI—Americans across the nation told reporters Wednesday that with the collapse of Muammar Qaddafi’s despotic regime, they were preparing to savor the next month or so of Libya seeming like an inspirational symbol of freedom. “We’ve got a nice four weeks of thinking Libya represents a triumph of liberty before the situation begins to deteriorate and some new form of authoritarianism inevitably asserts itself,” said Michigan-based architect Wes Reinhorn, adding that while he was looking forward to the nation potentially serving as a model for other Arab countries, he would eventually realize the situation in the region was very complex, and any hope he had of Libya transforming things for the better would presumably fade away by October. “We should all enjoy this stirring image of Libya as a beacon of democracy before Islamists or a new military strongman moves in to fill the power vacuum.” Other Americans, however, said that after a month of looking to Libya as a symbol of freedom, they planned to simply stop paying attention to the nation altogether.
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http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/09/01/dictators/index.html

Greenwald lays out the parallels of Libyans thanking America to Iraqis thanking America after the toppling of Saddam. Funny piece.
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The media all day today was trumpeting how the rebels had Qaddafi surrounded.

Example: Libyan fighters say Gaddafi 'surrounded'
Military council official says toppled leader trapped within 60km radius and will be captured or killed soon.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/09/201197104730208737.html

Now this:
U.S. doesn't think Gadhafi's foes know where he is, official says
By the CNN Wire Staff
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/09/08/libya.war/

I mean this kind of bullshit is pretty much expected at this point but ...