THE US military has designated Julian Assange and WikiLeaks as enemies of the United States - the same legal category as the al-Qaeda terrorist network and the Taliban insurgency.
Declassified US Air Force counter-intelligence documents, released under US freedom-of-information laws, reveal that military personnel who contact WikiLeaks or WikiLeaks supporters may be at risk of being charged with "communicating with the enemy", a military crime that carries a maximum sentence of death.
The documents, some originally classified "Secret/NoForn" - not releasable to non-US nationals - record a probe by the air force's Office of Special Investigations into a cyber systems analyst based in Britain who allegedly expressed support for WikiLeaks and attended pro-Assange demonstrations in London.
The counter-intelligence investigation focused on whether the analyst, who had a top-secret security clearance and access to the US military's Secret Internet Protocol Router network, had disclosed classified or sensitive information to WikiLeaks supporters, described as an "anti-US and/or anti-military group".
The suspected offence was "communicating with the enemy, 104-D", an article in the US Uniform Code of Military Justice that prohibits military personnel from "communicating, corresponding or holding intercourse with the enemy".
The analyst's access to classified information was suspended. However, the investigators closed the case without laying charges. The analyst denied leaking information.
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jools posted:Why does every other julian suck shit
god made it that way so when we say "the cool julian" he knows we mean you
karphead posted:merge this with cyclonekid's envelopment thread imhomo
jools posted:Why does every other julian suck shit
bc they get caught
HACK THE PLANET
Remember "Gaddafi handing out viagra to soldiers for rape"? CIA is really using rape a lot to divide the left, seems to have worked against Assange while it doesn't really seem to be working with the middle east. Maybe because when Bush did it there was an organized anti-war movement which left an impression on our consciousness when it comes to the middle east? Definitely going to be voting for Romney if that's the case.
The question was, "Under what charges would Assange be extradited to the U.S.?" and my answer was intended to underscore the fact that the U.S. is known to kidnap, intimidate, murder, etc, inconvenient persons either with no legal charges applied or with an ad hoc legal justification. No, I don't think Assange is likely to be assassinated; I think he's likely to be extradited, then imprisoned, then tortured, and I think this will be done laws be damned, because that it the way that western states operate.
you can see the wheels turning
For me, the worst part is feeling the taint of a warped & cruel landscape of espionage pulling at my moral compass - insisting that these two women are just small things, that Wikileaks & forcible transparency of clandestine state activity is more important, etc, and all the while I know that this is exactly the same thinking that leads to activities like state-sanctioned assassinations, coups, etc.
but in the end it doesn't matter
I also think that he will not receive a fair trial and will be extradited to the U.S. shortly after being arrested in Sweden. So it goes. Like I said earlier in the thread, I can feel the needle of my moral compass being tugged by my desire for Wikileaks to continue in it's mission, but I know it's wrong to deny the victims their rights for the sake of my political beliefs / sympathies.
Assange needs to be arrested and be brought through criminal proceedings (and I imagine he will be), because that's what justice demands and it's what the women in Sweden deserve.
this guy has the audacity to call himself a socialist, but doesn't even have the balls to stand up for the truth when he knows he's being manipulated. maybe he's been beaten down by the warped, anti-marxist feminist I see so much in the new left. maybe he's just a coward and a socialist with the wind. at least he's honest, many leftists "divided" on this issue aren't even that self aware.
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babyhueypnewton posted:the warped, anti-marxist feminist I see so much in the new left
babyhueypnewton posted:maybe he's been beaten down by the warped, anti-marxist feminist I see so much in the new left.
What is this?
ggw posted:babyhueypnewton posted:maybe he's been beaten down by the warped, anti-marxist feminist I see so much in the new left.
What is this?
identity politics
GoldenLionTamarin posted:Crow posted:karphead posted:merge this with cyclonekid's envelopment thread imhomo
ggw posted:are there really anti-marxist radical feminists?
brucie boner...
ggw posted:are there really anti-marxist radical feminists?
after the collapse of the proletariat as the "mover of history" (first in the socialist revolutions in the 3rd world being lead by peasants and then revolutions in the 1st world being led by students, often with the proletariat playing a reactionary role) it was assumed that an alliance of marginalized forces would have common interests in overthrowing the bourgeoisie, and that students/minorities/women/gays/hippies would be the historical agent of revolution.
no one on the new left has ever shown why this is the case except that the alternative is too depressing, and in reality I fail to see a necessary common struggle among women and the proletariat. I think feminism can have a positive effect on the revolutionary struggle if it is subordinate, but as a separate struggle it is often diametrically opposed to revolutionary forces as we can see in the assange case.
this also gets back to the weakness of the left in the 1st world, where marxists will latch on to any grassroots struggle to gain legitimacy. in genuine revolutionary situations like in Nepal and Venezuela, objective womens rights are taken for granted without a separate and poisonous post-modern feminism.
babyhueypnewton posted:ggw posted:are there really anti-marxist radical feminists?
after the collapse of the proletariat as the "mover of history" (first in the socialist revolutions in the 3rd world being lead by peasants and then revolutions in the 1st world being led by students, often with the proletariat playing a reactionary role) it was assumed that an alliance of marginalized forces would have common interests in overthrowing the bourgeoisie, and that students/minorities/women/gays/hippies would be the historical agent of revolution.
no one on the new left has ever shown why this is the case except that the alternative is too depressing, and in reality I fail to see a necessary common struggle among women and the proletariat. I think feminism can have a positive effect on the revolutionary struggle if it is subordinate, but as a separate struggle it is often diametrically opposed to revolutionary forces as we can see in the assange case.
this also gets back to the weakness of the left in the 1st world, where marxists will latch on to any grassroots struggle to gain legitimacy. in genuine revolutionary situations like in Nepal and Venezuela, objective womens rights are taken for granted without a separate and poisonous post-modern feminism.
babyhueypnewton posted:after the collapse of the proletariat as the "mover of history"
wrap it up prolatailures.
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getfiscal posted:venezuela's PSUV explicitly links different "identity" positions such as slumdwellers/barrio movements and does so through a liberal-democratic system
this is true, venezuela's weak socialism has a lot of problems. such is the sad state of the left that I have to point to such poor examples. I can't even point to Cuba anymore because Castro's liberal daughter has made the state acknowledge a bourgeois "homosexual essence" in law. I guess all I can say is the left suffers from the fallacy of progressivism and thinks that the USSR and China were backwards on social issues and that the infusion of identity politics into leftsim is an "advance", when it's clearly the opposite and the change in policies of communist parties on feminism, homosexuality, "privilege", etc is part of the general retreat of the left in the last 40 years.
babyhueypnewton posted:getfiscal posted:venezuela's PSUV explicitly links different "identity" positions such as slumdwellers/barrio movements and does so through a liberal-democratic system
this is true, venezuela's weak socialism has a lot of problems. such is the sad state of the left that I have to point to such poor examples. I can't even point to Cuba anymore because Castro's liberal daughter has made the state acknowledge a bourgeois "homosexual essence" in law. I guess all I can say is the left suffers from the fallacy of progressivism and thinks that the USSR and China were backwards on social issues and that the infusion of identity politics into leftsim is an "advance", when it's clearly the opposite and the change in policies of communist parties on feminism, homosexuality, "privilege", etc is part of the general retreat of the left in the last 40 years.
is there anything fags don't mess up
eccentricdeathmongrel posted:the general opposition to "identity" as a component within a necessarily ideological formation is a joke, as well a ludicrous attempt by failures to reestablish a totally vacuous "base subject" so exalted in liberalism, existing totally external to contingency yet absolutely recallable by th Vanguard at times of revolutionary praxis. this antinomy and fundamental dialectical antagonism regarding materialist and "ideal-ist" conceptions of the agent is most likely what causes a man to procure third-world sex workers.
sorry this doesn't work, I'm familiar with the language you're using and this doesn't actually say anything. you say identity is a necessary component of revolutionary praxis, however you don't say why as it is already obvious. and as althusser would say, "obviousness" is simply a disguise of bourgeois ideology.
the joke here is you, you clearly read in order to hide your opinions from criticism and when challenged retreat even further into obscurity. try harder, you're still comprehensible and therefore attackable.
getfiscal posted:babyhueypnewton posted:getfiscal posted:venezuela's PSUV explicitly links different "identity" positions such as slumdwellers/barrio movements and does so through a liberal-democratic system
this is true, venezuela's weak socialism has a lot of problems. such is the sad state of the left that I have to point to such poor examples. I can't even point to Cuba anymore because Castro's liberal daughter has made the state acknowledge a bourgeois "homosexual essence" in law. I guess all I can say is the left suffers from the fallacy of progressivism and thinks that the USSR and China were backwards on social issues and that the infusion of identity politics into leftsim is an "advance", when it's clearly the opposite and the change in policies of communist parties on feminism, homosexuality, "privilege", etc is part of the general retreat of the left in the last 40 years.
is there anything fags don't mess up
for a bunch of internet trolls, you guys have really thin skins. you're "bad faith" trolls. a good troll explores the limits of ideology, while your trolling is just a cry for attention and cowardice in exposing one's true beliefs to criticism.
babyhueypnewton posted:getfiscal posted:venezuela's PSUV explicitly links different "identity" positions such as slumdwellers/barrio movements and does so through a liberal-democratic system
this is true, venezuela's weak socialism has a lot of problems. such is the sad state of the left that I have to point to such poor examples. I can't even point to Cuba anymore because Castro's liberal daughter has made the state acknowledge a bourgeois "homosexual essence" in law. I guess all I can say is the left suffers from the fallacy of progressivism and thinks that the USSR and China were backwards on social issues and that the infusion of identity politics into leftsim is an "advance", when it's clearly the opposite and the change in policies of communist parties on feminism, homosexuality, "privilege", etc is part of the general retreat of the left in the last 40 years.
I'm glad to see that the struggle hasn't been given up, and that we can always count on goony first world rapists to teach us dirty third world barbarians about revolutionary praxis. Red Salute!