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getfiscal posted:

let's be careful not to turn the dysfunction of america, a nation of little white lords and creepy millionaires straddled over blacks, latinos and apallachians, into something intrinsic in voting. in lots of countries voting changes important things. god bless voting.


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tardy on these heaters
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do you think american idol voting is rigged
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Mike Nelson here.
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Crow posted:

i am not sure about the canadian system, i'm not well-read on it because it's really boring

actually the canadian system is thrilling. in the last election two major parties were decimated in the polls and the social-democrats launched into a strong second place even though the leader had cancer and then died soon after. pretty metal.

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Mike Nelson here.
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babyfinland posted:

do you think american idol voting is rigged

perhaps the contest between the mormon and the muslim is american false idol

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babyfinland posted:

do you think american idol voting is rigged



idolatry is rigged ipsofacto Ipso fatso lol

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getfiscal posted:

Crow posted:

i am not sure about the canadian system, i'm not well-read on it because it's really boring

actually the canadian system is thrilling. in the last election two major parties were decimated in the polls and the social-democrats launched into a strong second place even though the leader had cancer and then died soon after. pretty metal.



yeah its like a gun battle on an iceberg, real cool but meaningless`

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Mike Nelson here.
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everything is meaningless. but at least there's chicken wings.
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drivel of drunken hags
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After mulling this over, part of me actually agrees with Henry. I was talking about his very subject last night over Gtalk with DorkRex, just after the Break-fast. As he rather succinctly put it, as only he can, "Obama might be a shit sandwich 90% of the time," but his effect w/r/t the Overton Window is undeniable. For one, you had some of the bastions of regressive thought in the mid south actually deliver their electoral college votes to a Ivy League-educated black man - now that they've made that leap, there's no going back. We've done the same with healthcare- sure it's a far cry from universal single payer, but our parents can now cover us a few years longer- something our generation will long remember. The tea baggers might bleat about creeping socialism for all te wrong reasons, but you're developing the first generation of Americans in 100 years who aren't afraid of the word and might think "hey, maybe they're onto something in Sweden and Canada." We even have moderate icons like Jon Stewart self-identifying as a socialist- who would have seen that under a McCain-Palin regime?
The only area in which I disagree with D-REx is the notion of Obama spending his windfall of political capital once he achieves lame duck status, maybe pulling a "January surprise" and decriminalizing marijuana or decorating full support for gay marriage. Sounds doubtful now but he's proven me wrong before.
Anyway he gets back to NYC on Sunday, and we're meeting up for a luve tapin of the Nerdist podcast later in the week, I'll share some of your ideas by him if for no other reason than to be the devil's advocate.

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Groulxsmith posted:

After mulling this over, part of me actually agrees with Henry. I was talking about his very subject last night over Gtalk with DorkRex, just after the Break-fast. As he rather succinctly put it, as only he can, "Obama might be a shit sandwich 90% of the time," but his effect w/r/t the Overton Window is undeniable. For one, you had some of the bastions of regressive thought in the mid south actually deliver their electoral college votes to a Ivy League-educated black man - now that they've made that leap, there's no going back. We've done the same with healthcare- sure it's a far cry from universal single payer, but our parents can now cover us a few years longer- something our generation will long remember. The tea baggers might bleat about creeping socialism for all te wrong reasons, but you're developing the first generation of Americans in 100 years who aren't afraid of the word and might think "hey, maybe they're onto something in Sweden and Canada." We even have moderate icons like Jon Stewart self-identifying as a socialist- who would have seen that under a McCain-Palin regime?
The only area in which I disagree with D-REx is the notion of Obama spending his windfall of political capital once he achieves lame duck status, maybe pulling a "January surprise" and decriminalizing marijuana or decorating full support for gay marriage. Sounds doubtful now but he's proven me wrong before.
Anyway he gets back to NYC on Sunday, and we're meeting up for a luve tapin of the Nerdist podcast later in the week, I'll share some of your ideas by him if for no other reason than to be the devil's advocate.



damn good argument for not voting for Obama. congrats

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Mike Nelson here.
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the only real reason to vote is to sort of morally affirm something, like, this is the kind of society i prefer or something, and saying yes to this mess is probably a bad idea.
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Goldgelbes Löwenäffchen
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Groulxsmith posted:

After mulling this over, part of me actually agrees with Henry. I was talking about his very subject last night over Gtalk with DorkRex, just after the Break-fast. As he rather succinctly put it, as only he can, "Obama might be a shit sandwich 90% of the time," but his effect w/r/t the Overton Window is undeniable. For one, you had some of the bastions of regressive thought in the mid south actually deliver their electoral college votes to a Ivy League-educated black man - now that they've made that leap, there's no going back. We've done the same with healthcare- sure it's a far cry from universal single payer, but our parents can now cover us a few years longer- something our generation will long remember. The tea baggers might bleat about creeping socialism for all te wrong reasons, but you're developing the first generation of Americans in 100 years who aren't afraid of the word and might think "hey, maybe they're onto something in Sweden and Canada." We even have moderate icons like Jon Stewart self-identifying as a socialist- who would have seen that under a McCain-Palin regime?
The only area in which I disagree with D-REx is the notion of Obama spending his windfall of political capital once he achieves lame duck status, maybe pulling a "January surprise" and decriminalizing marijuana or decorating full support for gay marriage. Sounds doubtful now but he's proven me wrong before.
Anyway he gets back to NYC on Sunday, and we're meeting up for a luve tapin of the Nerdist podcast later in the week, I'll share some of your ideas by him if for no other reason than to be the devil's advocate.


im voting for D-Rex this year

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Mike Nelson here.
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i'm voting for drex three times, in memory of his three entrees.
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Mike Nelson here.
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write-in mitt obama
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Camera. Ocean. Prosperity.

D-Rex 2012
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how to reconcile not voting for obama because

Crow posted:

to vote for Obama is to symbolically support everything both him and the system stands for, in theory, in practice, their ideas and their consequences. strategy and staving off the "greatest evil" doesn't figure into it, it'll suck your soul out your damn eye sockets. you can rationally feel one way, but the way you Act has deep consequences on your life. you may believe you are a good person, but if you don't act like a good person you are not a good person.



when everything else you do in life, i.e. attend team building meeting at white castle corporate office, eat a chicken, buy gas, download angry birds space, not smashing the state, get high on marijuana, breathe, et al is done with same leery eyed and resigned quote-unquote pragmatism that all

Crow posted:

symbolically support everything both him and the system stands for, in theory, in practice, their ideas and their consequences. strategy and staving off the "greatest evil" doesn't figure into it, it'll suck your soul out your damn eye sockets. you can rationally feel one way, but the way you Act has deep consequences on your life. you may believe you are a good person, but if you don't act like a good person you are not a good person.


?

is it something like you need food to live so you put up with it for now but you do not need to vote 4 obama to live so you dont do that?

again i know this is all greenhorn how to be a respectable leftist tripe but i am greenhorn and tripe

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well yeah, you should live properly in accordance with your principles. fidelity with the truth and all that. of course its a struggle, and one has to maybe make compromises, but where does someone force you to vote in this rigged election? vote with your life, organize, have fun, but you don't need to give implicit support to an evil, murderous system. it's like when Mao talks about revolutionaries moving like fish through the sea of people, it's all passive support for the institution, don't give it quarter by taking part in it. voters are like the sea these leeches move through, you already give so much support, paying taxes, engaging in daily symbolic and market exchanges, why give them your hope and moral resolve too?

best scenario is to organize your life with those principles, but it seems to me taking a stand against voting for the enemy is the very basic gesture to set out and establish new political coordinates.
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Goldgelbes Löwenäffchen
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Mike Nelson here.
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obama's platform is quite different from romney's on paper. for example, romney's tax plan involves shifting enormous amounts of money (relative to either obama's or status quo) from lower and middle income families to upper income families. for example, his plan calls for a 28% top rate, while obama calls for a 39.6% rate, but romney says it would be revenue neutral. the only way it could be even close to revenue neutral is if you gut all the progressive parts of the tax code like EITC. vote obama.
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Groulxsmith posted:

After mulling this over, part of me actually agrees with Henry. I was talking about his very subject last night over Gtalk with DorkRex, just after the Break-fast. As he rather succinctly put it, as only he can, "Obama might be a shit sandwich 90% of the time," but his effect w/r/t the Overton Window is undeniable. For one, you had some of the bastions of regressive thought in the mid south actually deliver their electoral college votes to a Ivy League-educated black man - now that they've made that leap, there's no going back. We've done the same with healthcare- sure it's a far cry from universal single payer, but our parents can now cover us a few years longer- something our generation will long remember. The tea baggers might bleat about creeping socialism for all te wrong reasons, but you're developing the first generation of Americans in 100 years who aren't afraid of the word and might think "hey, maybe they're onto something in Sweden and Canada." We even have moderate icons like Jon Stewart self-identifying as a socialist- who would have seen that under a McCain-Palin regime?
The only area in which I disagree with D-REx is the notion of Obama spending his windfall of political capital once he achieves lame duck status, maybe pulling a "January surprise" and decriminalizing marijuana or decorating full support for gay marriage. Sounds doubtful now but he's proven me wrong before.
Anyway he gets back to NYC on Sunday, and we're meeting up for a luve tapin of the Nerdist podcast later in the week, I'll share some of your ideas by him if for no other reason than to be the devil's advocate.



it's so cool how all these idiot fucking sniveling liberals come out of the woodwork to wring their haneds about how much we need to elect Obama and who knows! Maybe he'll legalize marijuana, or raise taxes on the rich, or pass UHC, or end torture, or something else magical this time! Hey, it could happen!

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thanks 'crow'. with rhizzones guidance i think im off to an excellent start at an illustrious career of audibly sneering during white castle team building meeting and impotent hand wringing on revleft.com.
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tentativelurkeraccount posted:

thanks 'crow'. with rhizzones guidance i think im off to an excellent start at an illustrious career of audibly sneering during white castle team building meeting and impotent hand wringing on revleft.com.



do the impotent hand wringing here lol. Lol

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if obama carries either florida and virginia or florida and new hampshire, election night will be over by the time results return from the east coast
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Nippon
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or virginia, ohio and new hampshire while losing florida
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Dont Mess With Sucess
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besides all that, because the citizenry's list of options is finite and tainted by bias, voting gums up a democracy's gears. in a well-run democracy, the mob simply overthrows the government every six months or so.
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swampman posted:

besides all that, because the citizenry's list of options is finite and tainted by bias, voting gums up a democracy's gears. in a well-run democracy, the mob simply overthrows the government every six months or so.



didnt have you pegged as a schmittian

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Mike Nelson here.
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Goethestein posted:

if obama carries either florida and virginia or florida and new hampshire, election night will be over by the time results return from the east coast

thanks wolf blitzer

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Nippon
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by 8pm november 6th iraq "hussein" obeymao will have likely locked up 188 electoral votes by sweeping all of EST except the carolinas, georgia, and west vagina. the west coast plus hawaii plus illinois is a guaranteed 98 additional votes. so by 8:10 you should be partying it up that the slightest less virulent form of state capitalism has triumphed
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dont vote because
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Crow posted:

Camera. Ocean. Prosperity.

D-Rex 2012


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discipline posted:

drex literally told me that if I don't vote "I have no right to complain" lmao


He means about black people because frankly we're all sick of the racist rants of discipline on known white supremacy site, "the reichzone"

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Dont Mess With Sucess
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babyfinland posted:

swampman posted:

besides all that, because the citizenry's list of options is finite and tainted by bias, voting gums up a democracy's gears. in a well-run democracy, the mob simply overthrows the government every six months or so.

didnt have you pegged as a schmittian

just the opposite, i believe there is no legitimate state of exception to mob rule and that even translating political reality into language (in the name of better "informing" people) is counterproductive

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tardy on these heaters
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swampman posted:

babyfinland posted:

swampman posted:

besides all that, because the citizenry's list of options is finite and tainted by bias, voting gums up a democracy's gears. in a well-run democracy, the mob simply overthrows the government every six months or so.

didnt have you pegged as a schmittian

just the opposite, i believe there is no legitimate state of exception to mob rule and that even translating political reality into language (in the name of better "informing" people) is counterproductive



good man

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Nippon
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democracy is a terrifying idea.
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Goldgelbes Löwenäffchen
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i am a staunch monarchist
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GoldenLionTamarin posted:

i am a staunch monarchist


Same. support your local Bayerischer Heimat- und Königsbund