Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Climate change is definitely going to be the next Big Scare to fall by the wayside

Nuclear war, SARS, the millennium bug, overpopulation, the coming “ice age” in the 70s. There’s obviously big money in fearmongering but I think people are waking up to it.

Uh Bro, all of those were real problems that were addressed once they were publicized

the whole idea of a coming 'ice age' in the 70s, that rush limbaugh types always love to cite as proof that no scientist is ever right about anything, was due to the fact that large particulate pollution, prevalent since the industrial revolution, causes cooling. It was strongly regulated soon after. it just so happens that the small particulate stuff that causes global warming was allowed to continue on, and here we are

Myfanwy posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Climate change is definitely going to be the next Big Scare to fall by the wayside

Nuclear war, SARS, the millennium bug, overpopulation, the coming “ice age” in the 70s. There’s obviously big money in fearmongering but I think people are waking up to it.

Uh Bro, all of those were real problems that were addressed once they were publicized

the whole idea of a coming 'ice age' in the 70s, that rush limbaugh types always love to cite as proof that no scientist is ever right about anything, was due to the fact that large particulate pollution, prevalent since the industrial revolution, causes cooling. It was strongly regulated soon after. it just so happens that the small particulate stuff that causes global warming was allowed to continue on, and here we are

Hmm, maybe we should allow some of that large particulate pollution back so that the cooling and warming balance out.

Alyosha posted:

Myfanwy posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Climate change is definitely going to be the next Big Scare to fall by the wayside

Nuclear war, SARS, the millennium bug, overpopulation, the coming “ice age” in the 70s. There’s obviously big money in fearmongering but I think people are waking up to it.

Uh Bro, all of those were real problems that were addressed once they were publicized

the whole idea of a coming 'ice age' in the 70s, that rush limbaugh types always love to cite as proof that no scientist is ever right about anything, was due to the fact that large particulate pollution, prevalent since the industrial revolution, causes cooling. It was strongly regulated soon after. it just so happens that the small particulate stuff that causes global warming was allowed to continue on, and here we are

Hmm, maybe we should allow some of that large particulate pollution back so that the cooling and warming balance out.

It's worth a shot

Analysts, especially those working from a class model of society, have proceeded on the assumption that warrior cults were and must have been divorced from those practised by the commoners.43 (As is clear, I see the warrior as very firmly integrated into the general society, however headily exclusive the highest orders might have been.) Others assume the division on historical grounds: that the warrior cult was imported from the nomadic north, and so came to be practised in parallel with the indigenous rites of the valley farmers.44 Spaniards and the Europeans who came after them have presented an urban-imperial image of Tenochtitlin, with its splendid hierarchies of priests and warriors and its whole sections of artisans and mechants. But it was a city green with growing things, banked with the chinampas, the ingenious system of shallow-water agriculture which had brought the Aztecs their first prosperity. The bulk of the population were not agriculturalists, but those specialist artisans and priests and warriors lived in a vegetable-growers' world, and the centrality of agriculture to their lives could not have been in doubt.

The chinampas required men's exquisite manipulations of earth, seeds, sun and water in an alchemy of vegetable abundance. It was highly precise cultivation, its small stages laid out from when each seed in its individual block of earth, covered against frost, watered by hand, was raised until it was brought to sprout, and then transferred to the only slightly less intensive cultivation of the chinampa. The chinampa itself was formed by the piling of thick mats of water weed, which provided a fibrous, permeable, and slowly composting base for the rich silt dredged up from the lake bottom. More water could be scooped up at need. Today the few surviving chinamperos protect their plants from frost or excessive rain and sun by blankets of straw, or light structures of sticks and mats, and in the sixteenth century the materials, needs and skills were there to do the same.45

The Aztec seasonal ritual calendar was geared to the most precisely observed and minutely differentiated stages of vegetable growth. Those stages must have been derived from observation of the "green- house" chinampas, as they were well in advance of the natural season of the lakeside fields. I would further argue that the chinampas not only made Tenochtitlin experientially an agricultural city, and that the plants so raised provided essential ritual equipment - models of what was to come - for ceremonies designed to influence growth in the open fields, but that those highly visible chinampa manipulations provided the model for men's part in the natural order, and for their role in aiding the growth of essential foods. In the Feast of the Flaying of Men, when the chinampa city turned from the business of war to the growing of things, those manipulations of earth, water, sun and seed through which men found their sustenance were explored through the symbolic medium of the human body, and the interde- pendence between agriculturalist and warrior set out. (Clendinnen, "The Cost of Courage in Aztec Society")

AmericanNazbro posted:

it would take months or maybe years to move the means of production to a more temperate climate in order to prevent crop failures. in any case, millions will die of starvation. people will riot because of that, millions more will die. tens of millions will ultimately die. the state will become more authoritarian and ideology will probably shift towards social democrat or fascist, same meaning for different geographies

we literally don't have granaries in north america anymore, it would definitely take at least a couple years to rebuild any kind of resilience to fluctuations in crop yields, and we're probably headed into a period of low yields anyway so it's unlikely we can build grain supplies sufficient to see out more than a couple years of severe drought