It is great that the Occupation “movement” exists, but unclear where it is going. Its leaderless nature may help to avoid cooptation and media manipulation, but there are equally serious drawbacks. “The movement may be doomed to become a permanent gripe session against an obvious villain, but with no means of planning how to end the system that increases income inequality, debt peonage and unemployment.” Most importantly: can the 99%ers bring themselves to abandon the Democrats?
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The leaderless, mass-led nature of this action presents both benefits and problems. It is good that the corporate media cannot personalize these activities and designate any one person or group of people as leaders. Inevitably, those people are scrutinized in ways that render them useless or in the worst case scenarios are co-opted and bought off.
The down side to this non-organization is that there may not be anyone able to direct the mass action in any effective way. The movement may be doomed to become a permanent gripe session against an obvious villain, but with no means of planning how to end the system that increases income inequality, debt peonage and unemployment.
Make no mistake, Occupy Wall Street should be the beginning of fundamental changes in the political landscape. Whether it will be or not, will depend upon the willingness of activists to stand up for those changes. They must not succumb to fears about the latest Republican bogeyman or woman. Rick Perry or Michelle Bachman or Sarah Palin or Mitt Romney will be mocked as a fascist, charlatan, idiot who doesn’t believe in gay marriage/evolution/global warming and who is therefore unfit to serve as president.
http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/freedom-rider-occupying-wall-street
There’s some talk in veteran left circles about the need to politically “educate” the adamantly leaderless, mostly white young people who have made Zuccotti Park in Manhattan’s financial district the center of the U.S. lefty world since September 17. Although there’s a large portion of Yippie-like mush in the Zuccotti mix – the kind of activism that seems more like aroma than substance – the core is clearly comprised of serious people determined to end the rule of the “One Percent.” The 99% versus 1% formula is quite powerful, directing the people’s anger towards the class that conducts its oppressive business on Wall Street: finance capitalists.
The Occupy Wall Street (OWS) crew has identified the beast in his lair – which is a very big deal in the United States, a nation that is the most politically backward and confused in the industrial world due to the endemic racism that is its birthright and that has always thwarted the growth of a strong Left. The Zuccotti Park campers are eons ahead of the faux radicals and “progressives” who, in terror of the Tea Party and Republican presidential clown candidates, will soon return to the Obamite fold in their eternal search for lesser evils. Given that so many of the “old heads” of the Left only a few years ago put themselves at the service of Wall Street’s presidential candidate – a talented and attractive Black man who would become the far more effective evil in facilitating the dismantling of the New Deal – it may be best that they keep their political education classes to themselves.
In identifying finance capital as the common enemy, the supposedly “apolitical” park occupiers are in some ways more advanced than a lot of folks that call themselves scientific socialists but have not come fully to grips with what it means when finance capital achieves absolute political hegemony – the reality that is central to how U.S. imperialism ultimately collapses. It is a class that produces nothing; that exists solely through rigging and armed coercion of markets and the destruction of all that cannot be monetized; that actively suppresses and makes war against human productive potential, worldwide; and that has now turned, like piranhas, against the state structures they themselves helped build in Europe and North America.
The political rule of finance capital is the end game. In the early stages of the Great Depression, banking baron Andrew Mellon urged President Herbert Hoover to "liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate farmers, liquidate real estate” in order to solve the crisis. Mellon didn’t get his wish because, even then, the finance capitalist class did not wield hegemonic power in U.S. society. They do now. With all the other capitalist sectors totally subservient to Wall Street – including mass communications – they are financializing the State, seeking to convert many of its components (Social Security, health care, public education, and much more) into profit centers, and discarding much of the rest. This is of necessity, because finance capital can no longer preserve itself in any other way.
Nothing is left standing in the capitalist sector to resist them. For that reason, there is no Hoover, much less a Roosevelt, to articulate an alternative capitalist vision, a new compact, an accommodating “reform.” Finance capital rushes forward, creating conditions in which its own imminent destruction can only be temporarily averted by frenzied predation on the real economy and the State, itself. Obama Democrats and the Republicans, alike, facilitate the pillaging, captives of the hegemon.
To live in the age of finance capitalist hegemony is different than when Vladimir Lenin said “the capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him with.” Wall Street daily invents and plays fire with its own form of money: derivatives that are notionally valued at $600 trillion to $1,000 trillion (no one really knows!), many times the yearly Gross Planetary Product of Earth. The finance hegemon is disconnected from, yet a parasite on, the real economy. He is not in the business of selling or making ropes, or anything else. He is about transforming the world into capital, to feed capital, for the reproduction of capital. He can no longer coexist with human life.
Therefore, the righteous demonization of Wall Street, the symbolic and literal headquarters of the class that is the primary threat to human existence, is a great place begin a mass movement. 99% to 1% is encouraging odds, and an accurate reflection of reality.
The occupation of Freedom Plaza in Washington, DC, starting Oct 6, should showcase the national government as the domestic and international superpower servant of finance capital – and Barack Obama as Servant-in-Chief. The United National Anti-War Coalition’s (UNAC) October 15 rally at the OWS encampment marking the tenth anniversary of the U.S. war on Afghanistan, proclaims that “Wall Street is War Street.” And the November 5 national conference of the Black Is Back Coalition for Social Justice, Peace, and Reparations, in Philadelphia, will remind us that the European war against the rest of the world that began more than five hundred years ago is till being waged for the benefit of a predatory class whose primary address is right next to Zuccotti Park.
http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/wall-street-public-enemy-number-one
lol
Can't find a part 2.
drwhat posted:
does goofy rhizomatic masturbation really count as "building" or "developing" anything, come on now
they aren't exactly pulling that stuff out of nowhere though. Hardt and Negri, from what little i've read of them, have arguably done a good job explaining and predicting trends in contemporary left politics, (if not necessarily in a good way), and Badiou's non-state, non-party emancipationism is certainly goofy but bears some similarities to something like the EZLN and to a lesser extent the Naxalites, (though they're still very much a party and very Maoist as well). that's not really the point though, and Zizek's own views are at least as muddled as those he criticizes.
anyway i don't think Zizek would be comfortable with any "reinvention" of the socialist project. the way he describes it, where everything from Leninism to left communism to social democracy is a failure, i can't imagine any sort of socialism that would pass muster. yet he's not actually willing to abandon socialism, so he hangs a picture of Stalin over his bed and makes all these grumblings in the direction of going back to "the old left" while explicitly stating this is impossible. he also loves Kierkegaard btw.
Part of his message is to reframe the malcontents as the "true realists" and the defenders of the status quo as the "true dreamers".
Then he calls for people to think about what comes next. He does not know what comes next, but that what comes next must be determined. He encourages radical and divergent thinking in this regard. To him, this is the philosophical problem we face today: coming up with a post-Marxist system, a legitimately new system, to replace the status quo.
He also does not encourage any sort of violent revolution, but instead an ideological revolution.
he says that all revolutionary parties have never been proletarian or even bourgeois in constitution, but rather are composed of the energetic, brilliant, poetic dregs of society, the people who are radicals by their very nature and don't need to be radicalized by any ideology. while sympathetic to communism, in limonov's conception the bolsheviks would have emerged victorious from the milieu of early 20th century russia regardless of the ideological flag they flied
lungfish posted:
Zizek hangs on to his desire for a massive reorganization of society, to make "the best of all possible worlds", but he has lost faith in Communism to do that. He tends to avoid talking about "capitalists" or "socialists" in any way aside for historical context; I think he finds both words muddled and meaningless.
"Without the capitalists, the socialists would find themselves with nothing to do."
Impper posted:
i think limonov really sums up the "problems" with the left in his book "the other russia"
he says that all revolutionary parties have never been proletarian or even bourgeois in constitution, but rather are composed of the energetic, brilliant, poetic dregs of society, the people who are radicals by their very nature and don't need to be radicalized by any ideology. while sympathetic to communism, in limonov's conception the bolsheviks would have emerged victorious from the milieu of early 20th century russia regardless of the ideological flag they flied
thats utter fantasy
Impper posted:
coincidentally that jives with kierkegaard's aesthetic conception of the world ahhe
if you say so
Impper posted:
i think limonov really sums up the "problems" with the left in his book "the other russia"
he says that all revolutionary parties have never been proletarian or even bourgeois in constitution, but rather are composed of the energetic, brilliant, poetic dregs of society, the people who are radicals by their very nature and don't need to be radicalized by any ideology. while sympathetic to communism, in limonov's conception the bolsheviks would have emerged victorious from the milieu of early 20th century russia regardless of the ideological flag they flied
that doesn't really make sense, the Bolsheviks would have been a historical footnote except for their shrewd navigation of the revolutionary situation. it also ignores the fact that most of the major revolution figures were radicalized, not so much by socialism but by being sent to Siberia for being socialist. there is some truth in that though, insofar as their success was less about having the perfect proletarian ideology or the most advanced theory, (as Lenin would have liked to have thought), than about political acumen and sheer relentlessness.
Seattle had one today and some things of note were these:
-making a proposal tomorrow to adopt the grievances of NYC
Speaker: United Car Workers Rep
-Request to support auto workers walkout tomorrow
MOTION: PASSED.
-capitalism vs. corporate control study group. After GA next Fri there will be a workshop about why capitalism is the problem, not corporate greed
So it definitely seems like they're developing organizational structure and solidarity quickly and connecting all the dots
Impper posted:
i think limonov really sums up the "problems" with the left in his book "the other russia"
he says that all revolutionary parties have never been proletarian or even bourgeois in constitution, but rather are composed of the energetic, brilliant, poetic dregs of society, the people who are radicals by their very nature and don't need to be radicalized by any ideology. while sympathetic to communism, in limonov's conception the bolsheviks would have emerged victorious from the milieu of early 20th century russia regardless of the ideological flag they flied
are you serious? is this real? did i passed the line and found myself in lf joke-ideology realm again? yes comrade, it was poetic libertines who created the russian revolution through their SHEER FORCE OF WILL. welp i guess it makes sense to make a retreat from reality and think you are a nietzschean übermensch or something when your favourite political philosophy does not come to fruition. I plan to become a LaRouche disciple next.
"Without the capitalists, the socialists would find themselves with nothing to do."
That is not a brilliant flash of insight. it's more like pointing out the obvious. of course being a socialist wouldn't make an inch of sense if it wasn't for capitalism. which is why anti-capitalist movements are becoming confused and irrelevant very fast because capitalism is in the process of devouring itself and it will not survive this century. but if the neo-socialists or whatever the fuck they want to call themselves does not act to implement their own system to replace it, the plutocrats will do that instead. this is why i am super-serious about ows and all you folks should rethink about the political power you hold critically.
aerdil posted:heres part 2, the better part too
Zizek has been reading my posts I see
Goethestein posted:
if you post on this webforum and don't go to these protests you're a bigger hypocrite than i ever imagined
is that really the biggest hypocrisy you can imagine
babyfinland posted:aerdil posted:heres part 2, the better part too
Zizek has been reading my posts I see
Maybe you should buy a plane ticket, go over there and start giving speeches and become a leader.
Alternatively post in tHE r H i z z o n E
babyfinland posted:
ok so youve never imagined anyone more hypocritical than a person who posts on a forum that engages in anti-capitalist discourse and then doesnt go to an anti-capitalist protest. you have a small mind
u have a small peen lol
Lessons posted:Impper posted:
i think limonov really sums up the "problems" with the left in his book "the other russia"
he says that all revolutionary parties have never been proletarian or even bourgeois in constitution, but rather are composed of the energetic, brilliant, poetic dregs of society, the people who are radicals by their very nature and don't need to be radicalized by any ideology. while sympathetic to communism, in limonov's conception the bolsheviks would have emerged victorious from the milieu of early 20th century russia regardless of the ideological flag they fliedthat doesn't really make sense, the Bolsheviks would have been a historical footnote except for their shrewd navigation of the revolutionary situation. it also ignores the fact that most of the major revolution figures were radicalized, not so much by socialism but by being sent to Siberia for being socialist. there is some truth in that though, insofar as their success was less about having the perfect proletarian ideology or the most advanced theory, (as Lenin would have liked to have thought), than about political acumen and sheer relentlessness.
um yeah you just agreed with what i said?
redfiesta posted:Impper posted:
i think limonov really sums up the "problems" with the left in his book "the other russia"
he says that all revolutionary parties have never been proletarian or even bourgeois in constitution, but rather are composed of the energetic, brilliant, poetic dregs of society, the people who are radicals by their very nature and don't need to be radicalized by any ideology. while sympathetic to communism, in limonov's conception the bolsheviks would have emerged victorious from the milieu of early 20th century russia regardless of the ideological flag they fliedare you serious? is this real? did i passed the line and found myself in lf joke-ideology realm again? yes comrade, it was poetic libertines who created the russian revolution through their SHEER FORCE OF WILL. welp i guess it makes sense to make a retreat from reality and think you are a nietzschean übermensch or something when your favourite political philosophy does not come to fruition. I plan to become a LaRouche disciple next.
"Without the capitalists, the socialists would find themselves with nothing to do."
That is not a brilliant flash of insight. it's more like pointing out the obvious. of course being a socialist wouldn't make an inch of sense if it wasn't for capitalism. which is why anti-capitalist movements are becoming confused and irrelevant very fast because capitalism is in the process of devouring itself and it will not survive this century. but if the neo-socialists or whatever the fuck they want to call themselves does not act to implement their own system to replace it, the plutocrats will do that instead. this is why i am super-serious about ows and all you folks should rethink about the political power you hold critically.
what the fuck are you talking about
babyfinland posted:Impper posted:
i think limonov really sums up the "problems" with the left in his book "the other russia"
he says that all revolutionary parties have never been proletarian or even bourgeois in constitution, but rather are composed of the energetic, brilliant, poetic dregs of society, the people who are radicals by their very nature and don't need to be radicalized by any ideology. while sympathetic to communism, in limonov's conception the bolsheviks would have emerged victorious from the milieu of early 20th century russia regardless of the ideological flag they fliedthats utter fantasy
and thank god for that
Impper posted:
what the fuck are you talking about
what part of it you don't understand?
it's hard to get on board in this particular event, though, in a country where simulation has reached such an advanced level. going to a protest sort of feels like going back in time. it feels like participating in a a moment swept up in nostalgia-- packaged, simulated, not real-- like goign to a concert of an old punk band that just inexplicably reunited. it's funny how something that meant a lot to history could become so placid and doesnt make me excited or powerful in the least bit. we need something new.
redfiesta posted:Impper posted:
what the fuck are you talking aboutwhat part of it you don't understand?
i understand it perfectly well, it's just that you're a maniac