discipline posted:well did you see the part about idle finance capital, that's all the ideology you need
swampman posted:
man that's depressing, in the very least because we're fucked for options. very true though
but can you really say that it'll save us from itself? can the problem be its own solution?
Mr_Asia_Man posted:anyway, good night, i'll do the market proud tomorrow thanks to y'all
i'd like to kiss you goodbye...
tpaine posted:this pic should just be paris hilton LOL
LOL indeed, stephen, LOL indeed. i had the same expression on my face when i plowed your mom and gave you your downs syndrome half-brother because she couldn't stop drinking while contemplating about what a failure you turned out to be
Mr_Asia_Man posted:man that's depressing, in the very least because we're fucked for options. very true though
but can you really say that it'll save us from itself? can the problem be its own solution?
well i actually dont believe those posts i made, in fact I believe the only thing that can save us from capitalism is yes, destroying it, probably a lot of deaths, probably mine, but you can just say the "problem" of global collapse is insoluble, this focus on us being "saved" is idle fantasy, and what people really mean by that is "can we destroy capitalism while preserving our way of life?" of course not. the only way we can be "saved" if that's what we want is to ensure that some humans will last beyond global collapse, and capitalism does provide a select few people with a lifeboat.
discipline posted:lol if you think the market is essential to development rather than in service to class interests just take a gander at what happened to the former soviet union w/r/t privatization
discipline posted:how so
americans invested a lot in soviet development programs and the soviets depended on trade with germans and americans and such to get off the ground.
http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/index.html
this is a silly book but it has a lot of good information in it, also the same author wrote three volumes looking at the employment of western technology in soviet economic development
EDIT: not only that but you have to consider what the soviets did once they achieved superpower status, their colonial policies in the satellite states and so on. you can define that as non-market activity i guess but that's sort of the same pedantic game that's going on in the ussr thread, which is probably where this discussion should go
Lessons posted:he's not exactly anti-capitalist but ha-joon chang would be a really good place to start if you want an easy-to-explain critique of free market dogma. good luck.
by not exactly anti-capitalist you mean he endorses capitalism and says that socialism was a clusterfuck, as, of course, all prominent economists believe.
discipline posted:ha joon chang is a neo-listian which is like a fascist basically AHAHAAHHA
but whats the catch
getfiscal posted:neo-listian economics isn't fascist.
ah there's the catch
discipline posted:wow... *balls up brain and throws it in the trash can* ahahah WOW... what a waste.......
don't be so hard on yourself.
discipline posted:ha joon chang is a neo-listian which is like a fascist basically AHAHAAHHA
List was right tho............
both sides claimed micro credit, they said it was a solution to the market and we said it was a market solution and everyone quietly ignored that it's fucking terrible
Mr_Asia_Man posted:WELP We lost the debate, a victory for humanity I guess
both sides claimed micro credit, they said it was a solution to the market and we said it was a market solution and everyone quietly ignored that it's fucking terrible
ive accidently inputted the coordinates of your classroom into a predator drone and sent it on a mission for your next scheduled class meeting. this is your first and only legally-mandated warning from the government of america (CIA)
babyfinland posted:Mr_Asia_Man posted:WELP We lost the debate, a victory for humanity I guess
both sides claimed micro credit, they said it was a solution to the market and we said it was a market solution and everyone quietly ignored that it's fucking terribleive accidently inputted the coordinates of your classroom into a predator drone and sent it on a mission for your next scheduled class meeting. this is your first and only legally-mandated warning from the government of america (CIA)
i'm glad you get to post from your remote death trailer, good to know that you guys are comfortable
discipline posted:
this is pretty good and close with those ideas i've been trying to develop. i always think of that arrow as Janus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_year
discipline posted:ha joon chang is a neo-listian which is like a fascist basically AHAHAAHHA
no it's not! you should try reading List sometime unless your professors will give you shit for citing it or w/e
http://archive.org/details/nationalsystemof00listrich
babyfinland posted:Mr_Asia_Man posted:WELP We lost the debate, a victory for humanity I guess
both sides claimed micro credit, they said it was a solution to the market and we said it was a market solution and everyone quietly ignored that it's fucking terribleive accidently inputted the coordinates of your classroom into a predator drone and sent it on a mission for your next scheduled class meeting. this is your first and only legally-mandated warning from the government of america (CIA)
CIA already stirring up trouble ahead of the drone strike i see
discipline posted:ha joon chang is a neo-listian which is like a fascist basically AHAHAAHHA
ha joon chang is cool + cute
Mr_Asia_Man posted:both sides claimed micro credit
lmao
swampman posted:That is really facking sad
Yeah it's pretty depressing that it's the only alternative that development students can up with. another dude mentioned "investing in institutions" but didn't elaborate at all. sigh
Mr_Asia_Man posted:Yeah it's pretty depressing that it's the only alternative that development students can up with. another dude mentioned "investing in institutions" but didn't elaborate at all. sigh
like the IMF?