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I think its because the entire work culture is about not talking to people and having fun, so people can just do that quietly by typing and replace the quiet boredom

and the general demands for productivity and being engaged in working forever and ever

don't start no shit it won't be no shit
#82
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This archaic bullshit about the sanctity of face-to-face conversation is honestly some of the dumbest stuff i've ever heard.

Nearly anybody who's ever produced great art of ideas of any worth was a loner or a nerd or a shut-in, i'm not sure what great revelations humanity is missing out on because there's less drunken shit-talk in bars.
#83
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girdles_gone_wild posted:
Basically, the moment someone is alone in a bar, they pull out their iphone and check facebook or whatever. So what happens is that when their friend or whoever goes to the bathroom or they're waiting to meet someone at the place, they're just locked into these cognitive prisons. A friend and I were at a bar and were just making general observations and noticed that everyone who was by themselves was just locked into their smart phone. It kind of kills the place, so to speak, because then no one ever strikes up a conversation with people in the same establish anymore.

i made the comment on wddp that smart phones are kind of the bane of the bar/club, or whatever, and I was told to stop bro posting lmao



That's why the best clubs have those cellphone jamming cages and also make you check your guns. but the police shut them down once there are 3 or 4 gang related murders in a month or two. at least that's how it is in flint

#84
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:
This archaic bullshit about the sanctity of face-to-face conversation is honestly some of the dumbest stuff i've ever heard.

Nearly anybody who's ever produced great art of ideas of any worth was a loner or a nerd or a shut-in, i'm not sure what great revelations humanity is missing out on because there's less drunken shit-talk in bars.



It's arguably easier to engage people on a deep level in text. because if you're really charming people get bowled over and can tell you what you want to hear, and if you're awkward they'll stop saying anything. all the gestural stuff is removed online and people can commit as deeply as they'd like to.

face to face conversations are still really important and probably hold more inexpressible without poetry or synthesizer music feelings and truths, but they definitely don't hold all of the gold coins of human interaction in their leather purses

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Myfanwy posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
This archaic bullshit about the sanctity of face-to-face conversation is honestly some of the dumbest stuff i've ever heard.

Nearly anybody who's ever produced great art of ideas of any worth was a loner or a nerd or a shut-in, i'm not sure what great revelations humanity is missing out on because there's less drunken shit-talk in bars.

It's arguably easier to engage people on a deep level in text. because if you're really charming people get bowled over and can tell you what you want to hear, and if you're awkward they'll stop saying anything. all the gestural stuff is removed online and people can commit as deeply as they'd like to.

face to face conversations are still really important and probably hold more inexpressible without poetry or synthesizer music feelings and truths, but they definitely don't hold all of the gold coins of human interaction in their leather purses



Plus the internet is way better for serious debate and discussion. Debate in real life is pointless because you can just lie and make stuff up and pull bullshit out of your arse, whereas in text you can do the same thing but link to a variety of flawed and selective sources to add legitimacy to your nonsense.

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Myfanwy posted:
It's arguably easier to engage people on a deep level in text. because if you're really charming people get bowled over and can tell you what you want to hear, and if you're awkward they'll stop saying anything. all the gestural stuff is removed online and people can commit as deeply as they'd like to.



Myfanwy posted:
It's arguably easier to engage people on a deep level in text. because if you're really charming people get bowled over and can tell you what you want to hear, and if you're awkward they'll stop saying anything. all the gestural stuff is removed online and people can commit as deeply as they'd like to.




Myfanwy posted:
It's arguably easier to engage people on a deep level in text. because if you're really charming people get bowled over and can tell you what you want to hear, and if you're awkward they'll stop saying anything. all the gestural stuff is removed online and people can commit as deeply as they'd like to.




Myfanwy posted:
It's arguably easier to engage people on a deep level in text. because if you're really charming people get bowled over and can tell you what you want to hear, and if you're awkward they'll stop saying anything. all the gestural stuff is removed online and people can commit as deeply as they'd like to.




Myfanwy posted:
It's arguably easier to engage people on a deep level in text. because if you're really charming people get bowled over and can tell you what you want to hear, and if you're awkward they'll stop saying anything. all the gestural stuff is removed online and people can commit as deeply as they'd like to.


#87
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He's right, also the privilege that attractive people get also undermines the effectiveness of conversation irl
#88
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Myfanwy posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
This archaic bullshit about the sanctity of face-to-face conversation is honestly some of the dumbest stuff i've ever heard.

Nearly anybody who's ever produced great art of ideas of any worth was a loner or a nerd or a shut-in, i'm not sure what great revelations humanity is missing out on because there's less drunken shit-talk in bars.

It's arguably easier to engage people on a deep level in text. because if you're really charming people get bowled over and can tell you what you want to hear, and if you're awkward they'll stop saying anything. all the gestural stuff is removed online and people can commit as deeply as they'd like to.

face to face conversations are still really important and probably hold more inexpressible without poetry or synthesizer music feelings and truths, but they definitely don't hold all of the gold coins of human interaction in their leather purses

Plus the internet is way better for serious debate and discussion. Debate in real life is pointless because you can just lie and make stuff up and pull bullshit out of your arse, whereas in text you can do the same thing but link to a variety of flawed and selective sources to add legitimacy to your nonsense.



And marxist science has proven that the internet allows schizophrenics to ramble just as incoherently in text as they do in real life. Timecube.com

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People laugh at this "star-children" stuff but autistic conversation is actually a pretty good development for humanity. We've been trying to transcend our petty emotions and bodies for millenia through God and Nationalism and Tribalism and we finally might be close to rendering those obsolete.
#90
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:
People laugh at this "star-children" stuff but autistic conversation is actually a pretty good development for humanity. We've been trying to transcend our petty emotions and bodies for millenia through God and Nationalism and Tribalism and we finally might be close to rendering those obsolete.



It should be good for the discourse of englightened persons, but the internet is becoming a walled garden and no one will be able to talk to Indians who are easily spotted online by their weird idioms, anywhere online except specialist china military forums and the comments foreign policy.com articles where they address everyone as Mr.

#91
drivel of drunken hags
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:
People laugh at this "star-children" stuff but autistic conversation is actually a pretty good development for humanity. We've been trying to transcend our petty emotions and bodies for millenia through God and Nationalism and Tribalism and we finally might be close to rendering those obsolete.



yeah this pretty accurately describes what happens on tumblr and twitter with people inventing xer own unique genders and orientations and neurostatuses and political ideologies

#92
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:
He's right, also the privilege that attractive people get also undermines the effectiveness of conversation irl



somehow my okc where my pic only shows my ripped abs promotes a great deal of discussion and yet society says it would be impolite for me to lift up my shirt to start conversations with people in the meatspace??? talk about double sstandards

#93
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im in touch with humanity Posted from my iPhone
#94
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i'm just talking shit because i'm meeting a girl from the internet tonight and have to have a real conversation
#95
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:
People laugh at this "star-children" stuff but autistic conversation is actually a pretty good development for humanity. We've been trying to transcend our petty emotions and bodies for millenia through God and Nationalism and Tribalism and we finally might be close to rendering those obsolete.



this, except the opposite -nietzsche

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#97
desire be, desire go
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gyrofry posted:

i love you swampthing



#98
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People are utterly boring and I will check my phone/laptop/whatever constantly during conversations. sorrz.
#99
desire be, desire go
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:
People laugh at this "star-children" stuff but autistic conversation is actually a pretty good development for humanity. We've been trying to transcend our petty emotions and bodies for millenia through God and Nationalism and Tribalism and we finally might be close to rendering those obsolete.


at the very least it might finally be a subjectivity appropriate to dealing with a world fully alienated to standing reserve

#100
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i convince myself every day of the beauty of an endearing train passenger talking to her mom or the cautiousness of a passerby on a sidewalk near work but by the end of the day I'm drunk and cursing humanity again. i will wake up in the morning and do this until i die, basically
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#102
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:
This archaic bullshit about the sanctity of face-to-face conversation is honestly some of the dumbest stuff i've ever heard.

Nearly anybody who's ever produced great art of ideas of any worth was a loner or a nerd or a shut-in, i'm not sure what great revelations humanity is missing out on because there's less drunken shit-talk in bars.

on the one hand i agree but on the other hand im already an introvert and i dont feel like enabling it further is good for me (probably the real reason i dont own an iphone)

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crustpunk_trotsky posted:
somehow my okc where my pic only shows my ripped abs promotes a great deal of discussion and yet society says it would be impolite for me to lift up my shirt to start conversations with people in the meatspace??? talk about double sstandards



same

#104
meet me in st louis
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u cant pet cats on the internet
#105
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sorry if i check my phone when i talk to you but i have MONEY to make. fucking plebs lol why would i conversate with you when i can be getting more paper and stacking even more loot?
#106
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Transient_Grace posted:
People are utterly boring and I will check my phone/laptop/whatever constantly during conversations. sorrz.



Sounds like you are the boring one, mate.

#107
meet me in st louis
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sounds like he's my ex
#108
meet me in st louis
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god im so lonely
#109
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You know what's causing a flight from conversation? Everyone getting banned from the Rhizzone! Ho ho ho!

Later folks.
#110
Mike Nelson here.
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guidoanselmi posted:
god im so lonely

#111
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guidoanselmi posted:
sounds like he's my ex



i wish

#112
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Meursault posted:

Transient_Grace posted:
People are utterly boring and I will check my phone/laptop/whatever constantly during conversations. sorrz.

Sounds like you are the boring one, mate.

If you're bored then you're boring is a good rule of thumb

But boredom is also a sign of clinical depression so watch out!

#113
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Im am assuming we mean the general feeling of being bored, not like the specific feeling of being bored by something specifically boring to us? I have enough self doubt in my life without raising the possibility that I only find things and people boring because I'm not interesting enough to find some aspect of the thing that bores me to be interested about or in depending on which of those two prepositions is appropriate in or at that position in this sentence. Thanks in advance.
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:
He's right, also the privilege that attractive people get also undermines the effectiveness of conversation irl


don't have me because im beautiful

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last night there was some dude going on and on about some meditation shit about how he found his "inner soul" and shit. basically going on and on about his meditation experience and describing it in the most trite new age hippie language.
I thought the shit he was saying was boring.
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Myfanwy posted:

Meursault posted:

Transient_Grace posted:
People are utterly boring and I will check my phone/laptop/whatever constantly during conversations. sorrz.

Sounds like you are the boring one, mate.

If you're bored then you're boring is a good rule of thumb

But boredom is also a sign of clinical depression so watch out!


Boredom is also a sign of intelligence. The problem isn't that we are too boring to have anything to talk about, it's just that our present company is incapable of talking about anything interesting. If you want to talk to your friend at length about some gossip regarding somebody I don't know, don't be surprised when the phone comes out.

#117
tardy on these heaters
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there's absolutely no reason to be bored because God Is Real
#118
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WillieTomg posted:

deadken posted:
question: has the ubiquity of communications technology crippled our potential for mass action? once we were masses; now we have one facebook page (where we tell the world that we 'like' lin biao and althusser), one smartphone, one okcupid profile, we know we are individuals. the communications network is to some extent rhizomatic maybe but it is always a network of molar objects and never of molecularities

imo its neutered the idea of revolution (and far beyond the conception of revolution as a charge on the barricades) from a social event to a series of brutally hard fought and isolated battles. you're not just fighting state power, you have to first tell someone "yeah you're educated but your entire conception of What Is is totally incorrect" and explaining how That One TED Talk isn't evidence of space mining obviating present day ecology and social justice and shit so you're not just having an exchange of ideas, you're literally having a battle of realities as you both draw upon bodies of information regardless of their merit.

and if you're very lucky and charismatic as shit you'll convince people.

so you can do it again.


and again.


and again.

Until. You fucking. Die.



how the fuck is this different than any other point in history. like you werent going to get a revolution in 1870's germany. for one to have a chance of happening people had to be convinced that a revolution was not only possible but also something desirable. attributing anything of particular import to facebook or smartphones in this context seems very ahistorical.

like if you said "revolution" to some factory worker the immediate result wasnt the grabbing of the pitchforks and the storming of the barricades or whatever just because the person in question wasnt a poor post-fordian facebook subject hopelessly hooked up to his smartphone like all those JERKS you dated in high school. he'd probably still say "fuck you" and then youd have to...... convince him...... that your socialist reality was better than whatever dumb ideas he clung to or whatever.

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#119
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Tinkzorg posted:
socialist reality... whatever dumb ideas he clung to

#120
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babyfinland posted:
there's absolutely no reason to be bored because God Is Real


but god's existence is boring, so imma check my prayer beads app