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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/12/anti-gay-adverts-boris-johnson



The mayor of London, Boris Johnson, intervened to prevent a Christian advertising campaign from promoting the idea that gay people can be converted to heterosexuality.

Just days before the posters were due to appear on buses in the capital, Johnson ordered his transport chiefs to pull the adverts booked by two conservative Anglican groups following outrage among gay campaigners and politicians saying that they were homophobic. The adverts were booked on behalf of the Core Issues Trust whose leader, Mike Davidson, believes "homoerotic behaviour is sinful".

His charity funds "reparative therapy" for gay Christians, which it claims can "develop their heterosexual potential". The campaign was also backed by Anglican Mainstream, a worldwide orthodox Anglican group whose supporters have equated homosexuality with alcoholism. The advert was due to say: "Not gay! Post-gay, ex-gay and proud. Get over it!"

Johnson, who contacted the Guardian to announce he was stopping the adverts within two hours of their contents becoming public, said: "London is one of the most tolerant cities in the world and intolerant of intolerance. It is clearly offensive to suggest that being gay is an illness that someone recovers from and I am not prepared to have that suggestion driven around London on our buses."

His main rival in next month's mayoral election, Ken Livingstone, said Johnson should never have allowed the adverts to be booked. "London is going backwards under a Tory leadership that should have made these advertisements impossible.

"They promote a falsehood, the homophobic idea of 'therapy' to change the sexual orientation of lesbians and gay men."

The Christian groups insisted the advert had been cleared with Transport for London (TfL), which is chaired by the mayor. Davidson said: "I didn't realise censorship was in place. We went through the correct channels and we were encouraged by the bus company to go through their procedures. They okayed it and now it has been pulled."

CBS Outdoor, the media company that sells the bus advertising sites, said the ad had been passed for display by the Committee of Advertising Practice. It is understood TfL was due to make around £10,000 for allowing the adverts to run on about two dozen buses across five routes.

The campaign was an explicit attempt to hit back at the gay rights group Stonewall, which as part of its lobbying for the extension of marriage to gay couples is running its own bus adverts saying: "Some people are gay. Get over it." The Christian groups used the same black, red and white colour scheme as Stonewall and in a statement announcing the campaign accused it of promoting the "false idea that there is indisputable scientific evidence that people are born gay".

The gay ex-vicar, Labour MP and former minister Chris Bryant, said the advert was cruel for promoting the idea that you could become "ex-gay" and he said it would particularly hurt teenagers struggling to come to terms with their sexuality.

"The emotional damage that is done to the individuals who try to suppress their sexuality, the women they marry and the children they might have is immeasurable," he said. "Most sane Christians believe that homosexuality is not a lifestyle or a choice but is a fact to be discovered or not. The pretence that homosexuality is something you can be weaned off in some way is a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of creation."

Ben Summerskill, the chief executive of Stonewall, said the adverts were "clearly homophobic" and added: "The only reason some gay people might want to stop being gay is because of the prejudice of the people who are publishing the ad.

"The promotion of this voodoo therapy is hugely irresponsible given the damage that it appears to do to some people."

Both men said the advert should not be banned, however, because they believed in freedom of speech.

Attempts to "treat" or alter sexual orientation have been strongly condemned by leading medical organisations. The Royal College of Psychiatrists has warned that "so-called treatments of homosexuality create a setting in which prejudice and discrimination flourish" and concluded in 2010: "There is no sound evidence that sexual orientation can be changed."

The British Medical Association has also attacked "conversion therapy", a related field to reparation therapy, passing a motion asserting that it is "discredited and harmful to those 'treated' ".

The Rev Lynda Rose, a spokesperson for the UK branch of Anglican Mainstream, said her group adhered to scripture that all fornication outside marriage is prohibited and believed that homosexuals were "not being fully the people God intended us to be". She said therapies endorsed by Anglican Mainstream and Core Issues were not coercive and were appropriate for people who wanted to change their sexual attractions, for example if they were married and worried about the impact of a "gay lifestyle" on their children.

The decision to pull the adverts is being seen as a potential boost for conservative Christian organisations attempting to become more politically active in the UK. "Banning this is usually a fairly good way to encourage a sense that people are being marginalised and persecuted," said Simon Barrow, co-founder of the Ekklesia thinktank which has tracked the progress of what it calls aggressive conservative Christianity. "It could be part of a developing tactic to draw attention to themselves and a way of using victimhood to galvanise sympathy and support."

Brian Paddick, the Liberal Democrat mayoral candidate, said: "From personal experience as a gay Christian, I can tell you that it's much better to be out than in. We should be celebrating the diversity for which London is known, not denigrating it.

Revelations about the adverts came as Johnson was due to appear at a hustings organised by Stonewall on Saturday.



Even as a non-believer, i'm getting more and more annoyed at this organized and orchestrated attempt to silence the views of the faithful. If Stonewall (or atheists for that matter) can advertise on buses and proclaim their views then I really, really don't understand why Christian groups are not even allowed to put forward the idea that therapy may be helpful or beneficial to some people who are confused about their sexuality. It's not like the NHS herds up gay people to sent to re-education camps, they're just putting forward the idea that in the same way it's ok to be gay, it's ok to be ex-gay.

I understand the argument that it sends a mixed and worrying message to impressionable gay teenagers and such, but when did advertising not pray on impressionable teenagers? Apparently it's ok to shout from every hoarding in the city that a pair of reeboks or a handbag will lead to emotional fulfilment but it's illegal to suggest that some traditional values may do so as well.

Pathetic, and embarrassing for a city like London which has prided itself on being a city of open, vigorous intellectual combat. I used to think that the "war on religion" was the tritest of phrases but it's becoming more and more apparent that it is happening and it won't stop until the Dawkins brigade have outlawed faith all together.

I think that's sad.

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Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Pathetic, and embarrassing for a city like London which has prided itself on being a city of open, vigorous intellectual combat. I used to think that the "war on religion" was the tritest of phrases but it's becoming more and more apparent that it is happening and it won't stop until the Dawkins brigade have outlawed faith all together.



~u may say im a dreamer~

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AmericanNazbro posted:



"it's just a matter of time before military police forces persecute us" (illustrates this with black men being taken to a bus to mean either 'look at the persecution' or 'imagine if this didnt happen anymore')

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icw, small correction, afaik boris johnson is a conservative not a liberal??
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lol london
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anglicanism isn't a religion it's a disorder akin to mad cow
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mistersix posted:
icw, small correction, afaik boris johnson is a conservative not a liberal??



Not really, at least not in the American sense at all.

Sure he's a Tory and represents the establishment but he's got pretty liberal ideas about a lot of things.

You certainly wouldn't find a conservative American mayor acting all outraged about a religious group's right to advertise.

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crustpunk_trotsky posted:
anglicanism isn't a religion it's a disorder akin to mad cow


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bishop%27s_Gambit

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pls dont use things in an american sense ever
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Someone in the guardian comments made a good point.

Obviously we accept that there are gay people who for whatever reason believe that they are straight. So why shouldn’t there be straight people who erroneously believe they’re gay and could use some guidance?
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:

mistersix posted:
icw, small correction, afaik boris johnson is a conservative not a liberal??

Not really, at least not in the American sense at all.

Sure he's a Tory and represents the establishment but he's got pretty liberal ideas about a lot of things.

You certainly wouldn't find a conservative American mayor acting all outraged about a religious group's right to advertise.



not sure why youre submitting the american discourse hegemony here icw... the guy self-identifies as conservative

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me
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mistersix posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

mistersix posted:
icw, small correction, afaik boris johnson is a conservative not a liberal??

Not really, at least not in the American sense at all.

Sure he's a Tory and represents the establishment but he's got pretty liberal ideas about a lot of things.

You certainly wouldn't find a conservative American mayor acting all outraged about a religious group's right to advertise.

not sure why youre submitting the american discourse hegemony here icw... the guy self-identifies as conservative



Yeah and hitler self-identified as a socialist.

Sorry but if you asked what ideology boris Johnson represents, it’s liberalism.

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what other american cultural concepts do you feel the anglosphere as a whole would do well to adopt uncritically?
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mistersix posted:
what other american cultural concepts do you feel the anglosphere as a whole would do well to adopt uncritically?



i'm not even using liberal in the American sense dude, where it bizzarely can be quasi-socialist or whatever.

Boris Johnson has pretty standard liberal values and by global standards is a liberal person.

In August 2008, Johnson broke from the traditional procedure of those in public office not publicly commenting on other nations' elections when he openly endorsed then-Senator Barack Obama for the presidency of the United States. He later wrote an editorial in The Telegraph explaining his decision.



Plus he rides a bike to get to work and has been a strong advocate of public transport and bike-share schemes. That's a long way from Margaret "if you ride the bus at 30 you're a failure" Thatcher.

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but iwc you're also a liberal...
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um no i'm a Reactionary Marxian thank you very much
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prove it, join the glue sniff crew
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are we really still arguing about homosexualists in the 20th century people

come on
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burn london to the ground
start over
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:

mistersix posted:
what other american cultural concepts do you feel the anglosphere as a whole would do well to adopt uncritically?

i'm not even using liberal in the American sense dude, where it bizzarely can be quasi-socialist or whatever.

Boris Johnson has pretty standard liberal values and by global standards is a liberal person.

In August 2008, Johnson broke from the traditional procedure of those in public office not publicly commenting on other nations' elections when he openly endorsed then-Senator Barack Obama for the presidency of the United States. He later wrote an editorial in The Telegraph explaining his decision.



Plus he rides a bike to get to work and has been a strong advocate of public transport and bike-share schemes. That's a long way from Margaret "if you ride the bus at 30 you're a failure" Thatcher.



i refer you to your own post up the page wherein american labels are used as the standard against which his self-identification is judged

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in the age of the internet, we are all american
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itd be nice if iwc would admit it and quit the ivory tower polisci egghead posturing
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don't talk about australians relationships with americans. they have their own relationship and understanding of american culture that you couldnt udnerstand and frankly its offensive when you act like you can...
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EmanuelaOrlandi posted:
don't talk about australians relationships with americans. they have their own relationship and understanding of american culture that you couldnt udnerstand and frankly its offensive when you act like you can...



yeah our centre right party is called the Liberal party so that's a whole other kettle of fish

i would be provincial if i used it in it's provincial context so i'm using it in an uh.....Transatlantic context

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the BNP is the most left wing viable party in Britain. They throw themselves wholeheartedly into issues like social housing that the others won't touch.

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u know its true
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yea the bnp looks pretty good honestly
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the bnp are running a latin american immigrant for their london mayoral candidate lmao

he opened his 2 minute slot on the news to make his case with "I want to set London alight"
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i wanna hide in a hole
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lmao. please, please set london alight bro
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the bnp would be ok if it wasnt for all the hitlering, as it is though they're a (slightly too) convenient punching bag for neoliberal commentators who have a vested interest in overblowing the blackshirt menace
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hitlering is p cool since there arent any commies to try to beat up
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cleanhands posted:
the bnp would be ok if it wasnt for all the hitlering, as it is though they're a (slightly too) convenient punching bag for neoliberal commentators who have a vested interest in overblowing the blackshirt menace



that panel with nick griffen is pretty ridiculous lmao. the palpable liberal outrage in that room actually made me empathize with a full-out fascist who i would probably shoot against a wall if i ever took power.

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have you heard of Nazbrit. its the next big ironic thing
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no it is not