discipline posted:
War Is HEll man
what's funny is that most of the people who say this (and they're not wrong) are the last to admit that it is intrinsically bad
discipline posted:
the shocking thing about these kinds of massacres is how they are digested by society. it used to be no big deal if you walked around killing people, it's war, they're hired killers dummy, break a few eggs whatever. but now since war from the US is supposed to be benevolent and in the interest of peace, love, rainbows and democracy it's suddenly horrible to kill anyone, and we all just act totally shocked when a soldier does exactly as he's been trained and conditioned to do, which is rape and kill.
and people call me cynical... geez louise...
Lessons posted:
the second the US found out about it they scooped him up and flew him home because they're committed to exercising their right to extraterritoriality american "liberated zones"
yeah as you know one of the main reasons the US "left" Iraq was because resistance to US extraterritoriality was so fierce that the Iraqi government couldn't keep promising it lmao
thirdplace posted:discipline posted:
War Is HEll manwhat's funny is that most of the people who say this (and they're not wrong) are the last to admit that it is intrinsically bad
its also 'funny' because hippies said "war is hell" and power just nodded adding "will you pussy out from it? face our horrors, dehumanize yourself in preparation"
GRIND YOURSELF INTO A MAN (in the navy!)
GoldenLionTamarin posted:
funny how with marxists, determinism applies to everyone except our troops. quite the ideology you have there, donald
well steve shouldnt have put me in that locker & crushed me w his muscles
the only thing determined is my heart
GoldenLionTamarin posted:
funny how with marxists, determinism applies to everyone except our troops. quite the ideology you have there, donald
actually, i'm a troop, i started a militia. just me and my ipod shuffle. we're a gang.
GoldenLionTamarin posted:
looks like the "wrong place at the wrong time" you got put in was an apple store in 2005. update your electronics, prick.
actually i find the Apple iPod Shuffle to be a pretty good buy. i bought mine in 2009 for about $60 and it has served me well. i listen to a lot of standup comedy on it. you can tell, it really comes through in my jokes. even if i wanted to spend my money on Apple products instead of things like, i dunno, dates with attractive women, i think i'd go with the Apple iPod Shuffle because it is great for its price-point. thanks though.
GoldenLionTamarin posted:
determinism applies to everyone except our troops
You say this like it isn't true.
thirdplace posted:discipline posted:
War Is HEll manwhat's funny is that most of the people who say this (and they're not wrong) are the last to admit that it is intrinsically bad
war isnt intrinsically bad though?
deadken posted:thirdplace posted:discipline posted:
War Is HEll manwhat's funny is that most of the people who say this (and they're not wrong) are the last to admit that it is intrinsically bad
war isnt intrinsically bad though?
the outcome of a war can be good but war itself is never good. its bad
(not but seriously that's giving them too much i think, the love they get shares the road of your hatred. as if they werent drones)
My brethren in war! I love you from the very heart. I am, and was ever, your counterpart. And I am also your best enemy. So let me tell you the truth!
I know the hatred and envy of your hearts. Ye are not great enough not to know of hatred and envy. Then be great enough not to be ashamed of them!
And if ye cannot be saints of knowledge, then, I pray you, be at least its warriors. They are the companions and forerunners of such saintship.
I see many soldiers; could I but see many warriors! "Uniform" one calleth what they wear; may it not be uniform what they therewith hide!
Ye shall be those whose eyes ever seek for an enemy—for your enemy. And with some of you there is hatred at first sight.
Your enemy shall ye seek; your war shall ye wage, and for the sake of your thoughts! And if your thoughts succumb, your uprightness shall still shout triumph thereby!
Ye shall love peace as a means to new wars—and the short peace more than the long.
You I advise not to work, but to fight. You I advise not to peace, but to victory. Let your work be a fight, let your peace be a victory!
One can only be silent and sit peacefully when one hath arrow and bow; otherwise one prateth and quarrelleth. Let your peace be a victory!
Ye say it is the good cause which halloweth even war? I say unto you: it is the good war which halloweth every cause.
War and courage have done more great things than charity. Not your sympathy, but your bravery hath hitherto saved the victims.
"What is good?" ye ask. To be brave is good. Let the little girls say: "To be good is what is pretty, and at the same time touching."
They call you heartless: but your heart is true, and I love the bashfulness of your goodwill. Ye are ashamed of your flow, and others are ashamed of their ebb.
Ye are ugly? Well then, my brethren, take the sublime about you, the mantle of the ugly!
And when your soul becometh great, then doth it become haughty, and in your sublimity there is wickedness. I know you.
In wickedness the haughty man and the weakling meet. But they misunderstand one another. I know you.
Ye shall only have enemies to be hated, but not enemies to be despised. Ye must be proud of your enemies; then, the successes of your enemies are also your successes.
Resistance—that is the distinction of the slave. Let your distinction be obedience. Let your commanding itself be obeying!
To the good warrior soundeth "thou shalt" pleasanter than "I will." And all that is dear unto you, ye shall first have it commanded unto you.
Let your love to life be love to your highest hope; and let your highest hope be the highest thought of life!
Your highest thought, however, ye shall have it commanded unto you by me—and it is this: man is something that is to be surpassed.
So live your life of obedience and of war! What matter about long life! What warrior wisheth to be spared!
I spare you not, I love you from my very heart, my brethren in war!—
Goethestein posted:
the political beliefs and voting patterns of troops are very interesting in that they are all over the place and make zero sense except in the light of Theory that they want to hog out on benefits and perpetual security while doing nothing while at the same time rigidly following the edicts of mainstream officials and vehemently despising hippies and arabs. they are the worst of both worlds part II starring patrick stewart and johnathan frakees
Goethestein posted:
the political beliefs and voting patterns of troops are very interesting in that they are all over the place and make zero sense except in the light of Theory that they want to hog out on benefits and perpetual security while doing nothing
much like any public employee
historically troops end up with higher rates of homelessness and mental disease because going from being a hired killer to a productive family member is haaaaard. also 3 of the 5 troops my age that I know have already blown 50k of their income on terrible american vehicles that will fall apart before 100k - if they are lucky and don't wrap them around a lightpost first.
Goethestein posted:
let me tell you how revolutionary a class soldiers - predominantly straight white republican males from middle-class suburban backgrounds - are, because reality is secondary to my revolutionary cosplay
if you hate revolutionary cosplay why are you on this forum
tpaine posted:
the whole "we can't hate Soldiers because we'll need a revolutionary army someday" thing is so delusional its cute but who even cares anymore, everything is fucked let them do waht they want
i was half-joking
like i'll be mildly happy whenever some indian peasant causes an army dude's head to blow out JFK-styles but like war is still creepy as all hell
gyrofry posted:
much like any public employee
in our defense doing nothing is probably the best possible thing to do right now.