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War in Afghanistan (2001–present)
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dimashq posted:NATO citizens
the style manual explicitly prohibits being this honest, please revise
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cars posted:interesting to see the "anonymous source"-dependent U.S. news media attack from the right on semi-withdrawal from Afghanistan, i.e., the attempt to replace Troops with privatized and "advisory" semi-troops. I guess what passes for journalists in the U.S. are already primed though by the cult of "the narrative"; "avoiding" the "Saigon narrative", etc., the idea of the "narrative" under the control of the interlocutors emerging as the last desperate hope they have to play-pretend at their own relevance, now that their "overseas bureaus" are all but destroyed and their sites, papers, etc., are mostly hollow sump pumps for DoD/CIA bilge. But it's still real funny to see sites like CNN desperately pushing stories that portray Biden as the greatest president in 50 years EXCEPT for pulling some soldiers out of Afghanistan, for which he is an unforgivable murderer of Our Brave Compradors.
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cars posted:was visiting family over the holiday, NPR was parroting all the military propaganda fall-of-Saigon-style stuff about Troops leaving that base in Afghanistan, mom was like "Who cares!! We should have left years ago, we should have left a DECADE ago" and shut the radio off. she remembers Nixon and the Vietnam War and is getting really fed up with the pro-Troop/Spook stuff from Liberal Media lately. i love my parents
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posts from July 14th, 2021
...in case anyone tries to tell you the Troop-licking U.S. media is just so gosh darn angry about what happened after the withdrawal
military-industrial-sector bourgeoisie angry with Biden? CNN: "Biden = Jimmy Carter"
the White House better decide China did the virus if they don't want their 2024 h.h.i.c. candidate primaried. whichever one that is lol
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lmao never mind
https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-defense-secretary-world-will-pay-trump-deal-with-taliban-2021-8
UK defense secretary says that Trump's deal with the Taliban was 'rotten' and that the international community will likely 'pay the consequences'
"I think that deal that was done in Doha was a rotten deal," the secretary said. "It told a Taliban that wasn't winning that they were winning, and it undermined the government of Afghanistan, and now we're in this position where the Taliban have clearly the momentum across the country."
pogfan1996 posted:personally i'm excited to see democrats claim that russia was the secret puppetmaster behind the taliban while the republicans claim that china was the secret puppetmaster. bernie sanders will blame both.
Bipartisan Media Narrative currently is that it's China, and simultaneously, that the Uighur extremists, who aren't real and don't exist and are made up by China..... well, they will slide across the border with Taliban-governed Afghanistan and suddenly begin to exist and also transform into terrorists. So double super bad and maybe we will see the narrative soon that Just As Assad Secretly Helped ISIS, The Chinese Are Secretly Helping The Taliban Help Uighur Terrorists To Justify Beijing's Perilous Yellow Treachery. That tall tale didn't really work the first time and it'd be even more confusing this time, so I feel like it's good for at least one column in the New York Times or Washington Post or something like that.
It's like the virus lab-conspiracy hoax. Once Trump was gone and the turf war settled down, the CIA got out the riding crop and whipped the gimp back in line.....
June 29, 2020
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Lesson not lost on ambitious journalists: if you wanna get ahead in this rotten business, flatter Langley & Pentagon. And if a slovenly indy reporter rips you for being a hack, recall the ol American adage: "If you're so smart, why ain't you a full-time reporter with benefits?"
— Mark Ames (@MarkAmesExiled) June 29, 2020
so for those lurkers in the peanut gallery who might not be up on their propaganda vaccination shots and need reminding, let me just put up my favorite political image in all of history
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but yeah i think, like, if they’re pulling that now, “the mujahideen have nothing to do with Afghanistan a few years later because Saudi UFOs swapped out the entire population,” I feel it’s because it was hammered so hard into college-educated heads by revolving-door-seeking, eager-to-please, suddenly-important, Central-Asia-focused smooth-brained academics and faux “journalists” back then, in the early 2000s, that the sort of person who still describes themselves as a “policy wonk” in the 2020s is just tapping that old weak argument, in desperate defiance of the now commonly accepted facts of a U.S.-hostile Afghanistan as Cold War blowback.
And by now, there must be a whole younger gang of poli-sci, IR and related-discipline bachelor-degree types who were trained up on that nonsense, as the “Actually” card played by professor-style idiots against those poorly read enough to speak the boring truth in front of their NEOCON 101 class.
shriekingviolet posted:I guess I have to self criticize here and retract my statement that there's absolutely nothing new in the prefabricated talking points for foreverwar dupes. Apparently the hot new thing to say when confronted with the brutal self perpetuating cycle of western interventionism is this: "the US didn't fund and create the Taliban because Mujahideen is a completely different word, QED. And anyways the 5 years it took for CIA directed warlords to become independent warlords is like, sooooooo long you guys. In conclusion if you really think about it those opposed to eternally bathing in the blood of children obliterated by drone bombs are the real racists"
The spin I’ve heard out of npr (for the bits I can bear to listen to between their homages to the US military’s brave defense of feminism in the country and their coverage of the inexplicable betrayal of the asserts left behind) the past couple days has been that this is all Pakistan’s ISI fault. Apparently the Mujahideen were brave honest freedom fighters that ISI turned into a murderous “terrorist group” and then when the US liberated Afghanistan the ISI hid (remember where OBL was found!!!) and rebuilt them in preparation for this very moment.