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nowadays id recommend 'against the day' more than GR (mason&dixon too)

AtD has terroristic revenge from labor even in ghostly form (with strong whiffs of divine justice and bubbling divine violence poppin), mathematicians looking for transcendence as a sort of abstracted leftist promised-land hunt (sort of mirroring today's unexistent left's THEORY and their days' splintering leftists), 1900s american optimism showed as flawed but admirable specially today since it becomes an alternate space even if broken (but better than redundant socialist/capitalist realism or goony disappointed bitterness aesthetics), a cartoonish henry ford-esque dude (with his own smithers and all). and it rains tetris from fictional russian airships.

i was expecting GR to have a lot more things like The Kyrgiz Light, but it's overall more cold and uncaring (ATD doesn't have all those abrupt 'pomo-quirky' turns for instance, it bends genres and turns with more rhyme & care than just "lol isn't the world chaotic and crazily indifferent to our expectations", he seems to view those now as 'bad' liberal pseudo-transgressions, without concern to people destroyed by storms of capitalism and its nihiilism - and uncaring for why conservatism and tradition might then appeal, with pomo just compiling on top of it)

there's even a really great brief scene where a woman who was slaughtered in Crying of Lot 49 shows up saying it was all a stage act written by some stupid man (with lots of self-deprecating subtext from pynchon - "oh god, young men are such shit heads, oh how transgressive i thought i was")
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a novel i really like is fathers & sons. does anyone kno of any other books that deal with young nihilists discovering pretty brown haired girls and country orchards of landed estates and subsequently remedying their deviance because if so i would like to read them
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blinkandwheeze posted:
a novel i really like is fathers & sons. does anyone kno of any other books that deal with young nihilists discovering pretty brown haired girls and country orchards of landed estates and subsequently remedying their deviance because if so i would like to read them



http://www.amazon.com/Seven-Storey-Mountain-Thomas-Merton/dp/0156010860%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAJASE6HSSVXTNREYQ%26tag%3Dfstchrm-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D0156010860?afsrc=fstfx

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http://www.ghazali.org/books/md/IIA-02main.htm
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Prospero posted:
nowadays id recommend 'against the day' more than GR (mason&dixon too)

AtD has terroristic revenge from labor even in ghostly form (with strong whiffs of divine justice and bubbling divine violence poppin), mathematicians looking for transcendence as a sort of abstracted leftist promised-land hunt (sort of mirroring today's unexistent left's THEORY and their days' splintering leftists), 1900s american optimism showed as flawed but admirable specially today since it becomes an alternate space even if broken (but better than redundant socialist/capitalist realism or goony disappointed bitterness aesthetics), a cartoonish henry ford-esque dude (with his own smithers and all). and it rains tetris from fictional russian airships.

i was expecting GR to have a lot more things like The Kyrgiz Light, but it's overall more cold and uncaring (ATD doesn't have all those abrupt 'pomo-quirky' turns for instance, it bends genres and turns with more rhyme & care than just "lol isn't the world chaotic and crazily indifferent to our expectations", he seems to view those now as 'bad' liberal pseudo-transgressions, without concern to people destroyed by storms of capitalism and its nihiilism - and uncaring for why conservatism and tradition might then appeal, with pomo just compiling on top of it)

there's even a really great brief scene where a woman who was slaughtered in Crying of Lot 49 shows up saying it was all a stage act written by some stupid man (with lots of self-deprecating subtext from pynchon - "oh god, young men are such shit heads, oh how transgressive i thought i was")



i wonder if GR seems more cold and uncaring because its more properly a post-ww1 novel than against the day in which the great war just continuously looms in the distance and near future (for most of the book).

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aerdil posted:
i wonder if GR seems more cold and uncaring because its more properly a post-ww1 novel than against the day in which the great war just continuously looms in the distance and near future.


yeah i think thats true (and also a need to deinflate the happy pappy self-congratulating bull of the overall culture after the wwii, undermine pop culture expectations and propaganda etc)

but there seems to be a greater (almost zizekian*) fear in ATD of these 60s taboo-breaking, the revealing of lies etc, that became coopted. As if description is overwhelmed into prescription - or just redundant 'capitalist realism'. A big part of some plots is the subtext of the appeal of time-travel and ghosts (ie conservatism, that it's not just a matter of detached liberal "oh everyone thinks the past is better", things break, people die, one is more tolerant to war etc) - it tries to imagine a ficticious time that wasn't yet "in hell" (as one post wwi character says, sort of stating pynchon's luddite essay argument about how the war made something like 'megadeaths' tolerable and central america deathsquads dont even register etc)

*where he "defends" "false appearances"

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tpaine posted:
almost zizekian*



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tpaine posted:
almost zizekian*


eayh tahts right i said it

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we'll never be even.

"i didnt start this, but i'm ending it". - John Carter of Mars trailer (pretend i posted youtube at the right second)
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jesus what the fuck am i even saying

that wasnt very zizekian.
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zizeskque
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Prospero posted:
nowadays id recommend 'against the day' more than GR (mason&dixon too)

AtD has terroristic revenge from labor even in ghostly form (with strong whiffs of divine justice and bubbling divine violence poppin), mathematicians looking for transcendence as a sort of abstracted leftist promised-land hunt (sort of mirroring today's unexistent left's THEORY and their days' splintering leftists), 1900s american optimism showed as flawed but admirable specially today since it becomes an alternate space even if broken (but better than redundant socialist/capitalist realism or goony disappointed bitterness aesthetics), a cartoonish henry ford-esque dude (with his own smithers and all). and it rains tetris from fictional russian airships.

i was expecting GR to have a lot more things like The Kyrgiz Light, but it's overall more cold and uncaring (ATD doesn't have all those abrupt 'pomo-quirky' turns for instance, it bends genres and turns with more rhyme & care than just "lol isn't the world chaotic and crazily indifferent to our expectations", he seems to view those now as 'bad' liberal pseudo-transgressions, without concern to people destroyed by storms of capitalism and its nihiilism - and uncaring for why conservatism and tradition might then appeal, with pomo just compiling on top of it)

there's even a really great brief scene where a woman who was slaughtered in Crying of Lot 49 shows up saying it was all a stage act written by some stupid man (with lots of self-deprecating subtext from pynchon - "oh god, young men are such shit heads, oh how transgressive i thought i was")



It's derfinitely more of the times than gr. I'm reading for the severalest time right now and i can really connect with the spirit of the collapsing gilded age, because we're living through the same thing. I wasn't alive post ww2 or in any baby boom space.

I still think GR is a better book, but aTd is certainly more relevant to the times

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Myfanwy posted:
It's derfinitely more of the times than gr. I'm reading for the severalest time right now and i can really connect with the spirit of the collapsing gilded age, because we're living through the same thing. I wasn't alive post ww2 or in any baby boom space.
I still think GR is a better book, but aTd is certainly more relevant to the times


yeah for sure i think it's more of the times in how it "cancels" it, in how "it's not", if that makes sense - it's, hoho, against its day (in that it recognizes what was behind GR became part of the day's demands or the calls of duty of today's "false consciousness" - free love became porn, freedom became precarious labor conditions, anti-state sentiment became neoliberalism, transgressions became tolerance for violence etc).

and yeah, a lot of times you're just going, "wait holyfuck, did we even leave that age?" (for the bad and the good)

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absolutely
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Crow posted:



Four times the compilations had been taped, and twice the poorly filmed and edited amateur videos had been uploaded to tube porn sites. Indeed, if John had looked closely, he might have come across Avril on one of his cherished websites. As unlikely as that was, let us remember that anything is possible.

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gyrofry posted:

Crow posted:

Four times the compilations had been taped, and twice the poorly filmed and edited amateur videos had been uploaded to tube porn sites. Indeed, if John had looked closely, he might have come across Avril on one of his cherished websites. As unlikely as that was, let us remember that anything is possible.



Tipu, the most powerful state in seventeenth century Belize, was a buffer between the Spanish in Yucatan to the north and the heathen Itza Maya of the central Peten, who were not conquered till 1697.

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Lib MP Garneau: Can just anyone post anything they want on Youtube? Reporters in unison from back of the room: Yes
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Maturity onset diabetes of the young (MODY) refers to any of several hereditary forms of diabetes caused by mutations in an autosomal dominant gene (sex independent, i.e. inherited from any of the parents) disrupting insulin production. MODY is often referred to as "monogenic diabetes" to distinguish it from the more common types of diabetes (especially type 1 and type 2), which involve more complex combinations of causes involving multiple genes (i.e., "polygenic") and environmental factors. MODY 2 and MODY 3 are the most common forms. The severity of the different types varies considerably, but most commonly MODY acts like a very mild version of type 1 diabetes, with continued partial insulin production and normal insulin sensitivity. MODY is not type 2 diabetes in a young person, as might erroneously be inferred from the name.
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The band is made up of seven members, all Bith from the planet Clak'dor VII. The leader of the band is Figrin D'an, as the name clearly implies.
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I'm really sick of having people send me links about the Lytro light-field camera. It's a piece of junk and useless. Cool technology but who wants to focus their crappy pictures in post process every single time?

just because I take photos doesn't mean I care about ~technology~
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noggerel
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*hands u a leaky lomo*
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guidoanselmi posted:
I'm really sick of having people send me links about the Lytro light-field camera. It's a piece of junk and useless. Cool technology but who wants to focus their crappy pictures in post process every single time?

just because I take photos doesn't mean I care about ~technology~

i take pictures and i care about technology as far as it relates to taking good pictures, which lytro doesnt as its obviously a gimmick toy

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although in 10 years time it will have police state applications i guess
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all my photography is confocal, boiii
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Crow posted:



We didn't go to our room.



makes sense considering my newfound celibacy

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alternately:

But for Heidegger, being is never a yes/no question: to be always means to be in a highly specific way, different for each thing that exists.
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ive always been kinda suspicious of ontology tbh, being always seems to be an entirely synthetic conceptual category, one we'd be better off dispensing with entirely than investigating, thats why i find the anti-ontological strand running from heraclitus to nietzsche to deleuze so interesting. maybe i just havent read enough ontology tho
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degenerates, degenerates
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recently ive noticed that many of the attributes classically ascribed to god can equally well describe communism. this doesnt diminish either of them imo
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Nikias “Crow”: INFP male, heterosexual, crow shapeshifter; in a relationship with Kirke

BUSTED
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Galateia likes high/epic fantasy and sometimes soft dystopia (“eutopian lit”). Gale mostly reads nonfiction references- field guides, almanacs, and so on. Kirke, Nikias, and Asher all like hard dystopia and urban fantasy. Nik also likes biographies and books that catalogue the zeitgeist of a given setting. Kirke additionally likes whodunnit-type mystery and paranormal studies.

Asher loves hard sci-fi and speculative fiction, and occasionally suspense. She prefers short stories over novels, and series over single books, with Animorphs, Ender Saga, and Hunger Games being probably her favourites in a general way.

Niall likes things written centuries and millennia ago… Seneca, Livy, Plato, Tacitus, Suetonius, etc. but he dislikes any American history written by Americans.

Ruby likes fantasy horror and is begging us to buy a copy of Necronomicon. He also has a huge soft spot for Melissa Marr and Neil Gaiman.

Leo likes philosophical reading material and stuff pertaining to psychology and type theory, as well as books with stories about shapeshifters or beings who are half-human.

Rosie and Total don’t read as much as the rest of us, and they just tend to pick up and read whatever book is trending with two or three other system members any given evening.

Prim is still figuring out her tastes, but she shares Leo’s fondness for shapeshifter/half-human stories. She has demonstrated a consistent enjoyment of ballade-type poetic stories, along the lines of Tam Lin and Thomas the Rhymer.

Since any new reading material that enters headspace has to go through whichever of us are fronting at the time, so it’s rare to find any of us reading something that wouldn’t also be enjoyed by at least one other member.

Lor and Es tend to just… ambiently absorb anything any of us is reading. Their tastes are an eclectic mix of nonfiction histories and the harder forms of sci-fi, fantasy, speculative horror, and dystopia. They also enjoy books about vampires and/or angels… but they file the Twilight Saga under ‘comedy parody.’ They view it as genuinely self-mocking.

A few books have disappeared randomly from headspace, so while we don’t know what Kadesh likes, we definitely know what she doesn’t like. Apparently in her opinion we should never have read Stephen King’s Four Past Midnight or The Silmarillion. Considering each of the rest of us likes at least one of those quite a bit, we’ve made some attempts to talk her out of editing books out of the library. >_<
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