but to be fair i'm not actually sure to what extent these 8chan radicalised guys actually read the archaic fascist traditions they cite or if they just do so for a vague air of legitimacy.
blinkandwheeze posted:ya the manifesto is full of all those really obvious pepe frog guy rhetorical games. which the media will focus on exclusively because nobody has any of the basic historical knowledge required to talk about the actual political tendencies at play. online journalists know who candice owens is but will need a medium article to explain oswald mosley to them.
but to be fair i'm not actually sure to what extent these 8chan radicalised guys actually read the archaic fascist traditions they cite or if they just do so for a vague air of legitimacy.
Some do but fascist lit is mostly a slog. If you ever look at required reading lists for some of the organized groups you'll see "Mein Kampf" and then some terrible race-war pornography. The book "Siege" (favored by the school shooter set) is just a collection of newsletters: awful blog / 4chan-style rants from the 1980s. The neo-Nazi scene elevates it as holy writ but it's almost unreadable. The difference back then is you'd first encounter the newsletters (here in the U.S.) in the form of classified ads in the back of crypto-fascist "Patriot" newspapers handed out at gun shows. Send a check and have them delivered via P.O. Box.
"Iron Gates" has been circulating more recently, which is just post-apocalyptic murder porn with details I won't post here as it's likely illegal in multiple countries. Absolutely wretched. Also "The Turner Diaries." It says a lot that the most influential book this scene produced since "Mein Kampf" is the white-power equivalent of an Uwe Boll movie (no offense to Uwe Boll). That was written by perhaps the movement's most important ideologue in the Anglophone world in the past half-century. Says a lot right there. I haven't read it, but if I recall, the main character of the novel is inspired by a Nazi book within the novel (Pierce of course was not capable of writing this book in reality) that shows the protagonist the blazing-light truth of Nazi race war. The ideological master-text for their ideology is something that exists in their heads. The fascist mindset isn't concerned with the words on the page but the hardback binding up on the shelf beaming down on you, and when you open the book you are hit with an overpowering, blinding flash of light that consumes the world.
But fascists, for whatever reason, understand dimly enough that conservatism has its limits because social relations are constantly changing under capitalism (which they displace onto Jews). I'm with Moishe Postone on this one. The moment the right gets its act together and attempts to re-fix social relations, the ground shifts again just as suddenly. All that is solid melts into air, blah blah, you know what I'm talking about. So it's a really extreme reaction.
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Petrol posted:We do ourselves a disservice specifically discussing pewdiepie or anything else that sick fuck memed about. Most of that was nonsense. Suffice to note that a person like him can be fostered and encouraged by the imageboard environment, and that blood-and-soil nazism and ecofascism have found a successful enough retread there to help inspire irl violence
i feel that the pewdiepie thing functions in essentially the same way as the "ok" hand symbol in that it depends on a bewildered and offended conservative victim complex 'how could X possibly be bad!?', then a more confident fascist right deliberately rolling it into their own mythology as a plausible deniability/dogwhistle symbol.
check out the people pewdiepie follows on twitter, it's a who's-who of the north american cryptofascists. all the big names are there. the open fascists are definitely aware of this i think.
cars posted:whoa shocked at who the YouTube guy is following on Twitter! I won't spoil it but whoa this is amazing stuff!
Chthonic_Goat_666 posted:cars posted:whoa shocked at who the YouTube guy is following on Twitter! I won't spoil it but whoa this is amazing stuff!
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cars posted:whoa shocked at who the YouTube guy is following on Twitter! I won't spoil it but whoa this is amazing stuff!
i ll spoil it: it s getfiscal
red_dread posted:to their credit, any irony-poisoned rhetoric is gonna look like some sort of mkultra-induced codetalk to 90% of geopolitical observers.
look like?
red_dread posted:
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peter dutton's nickname in local chinese media is 土豆哥 (Potato Brother) https://t.co/LDH6w3kdM9 pic.twitter.com/jTUE1q55cV
— 💯Fergus Ryan (@fryan) November 22, 2017
Chthonic_Goat_666 posted:lol at the egg
Senator Ian MacDonald just asked in #estimates if Huang Xiangmo (Mr Huang) was "any relation" to Penny WONG. Reply: no, Huang. MacDonald: Oh! Huang! #auspol
— Paul Karp (@Paul_Karp) April 9, 2019
I was going to summarise it but it's a short article and worth reading. My endorsement is qualified in that it's obviously not perfect and Labor is still very much the party of the white labour aristocracy, with all the issues that come with that. However it's staggeringly progressive considering how dire the current situation is for First Nations and how little the average voter is concerned with this stuff. Simply having an actual First Nations person as Minister for Indigenous Affairs, let alone one who freely uses the term 'First Nations', is indicative of a serious attitude shift in the ALP, but the policy goes much further than that.
Labor will almost certainly win the coming election and they will bring with them a very mixed bag in terms of policy across the board (including some specifically very bad policy like support for Adani) but it has to be said, this policy is Good and I can only hope it goes ahead as promised, because while it'll hardly fix everything, it'd finally be a step in the right direction.
Petrol posted:Going to go out on a limb and give a (qualified) Petrol endorsement to Labor's Indigenous policy https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/08/pat-dodson-says-labors-indigenous-policies-will-be-a-watershed-for-the-nation
I was going to summarise it but it's a short article and worth reading. My endorsement is qualified in that it's obviously not perfect and Labor is still very much the party of the white labour aristocracy, with all the issues that come with that. However it's staggeringly progressive considering how dire the current situation is for First Nations and how little the average voter is concerned with this stuff. Simply having an actual First Nations person as Minister for Indigenous Affairs, let alone one who freely uses the term 'First Nations', is indicative of a serious attitude shift in the ALP, but the policy goes much further than that.
Labor will almost certainly win the coming election and they will bring with them a very mixed bag in terms of policy across the board (including some specifically very bad policy like support for Adani) but it has to be said, this policy is Good and I can only hope it goes ahead as promised, because while it'll hardly fix everything, it'd finally be a step in the right direction.
The funding changes for welfare, housing, health care etc are probably better than nothing but obviously don't even scratch the causal factors behind the problems they're allegedly supposed to address.
As for the regional assemblies, don't get your hopes up. Sounds like a bunch of toothless consultation bodies. We have lots of that horseshit in Canada. We have fancy official channels for indigenous people to advise the Canadian government, and they scream "We are dying, the choices you make kill us, this state was founded on genocide and that genocide continues to this day." Parliament smiles politely and nods and business as usual continues.
Our indigenous peoples have sovereign land rights, supposedly, and official bodies to enforce those land rights. Unless they inconveniently get in the way of a pipeline, or a pit mine, or a highway, or an industrial waste dump, or a golf and country club. Then they call you ecoterrorists and the RCMP show up to break children's ribs and tear gas the elderly.
It means nothing to give an occupied people a voice, on the occupiers terms, with no real power for the people to actualize their demands of their own volition. Just a showy way for the colonial brutes to fish for compliments and calmly file away dissent on a dusty ignored shelf. When the imperialist offers "involvement in the decision making process," all they're allowing you is the opportunity to add your own signature to your execution order. To help them bear the terrible burden of murdering you.
Petrol posted:I started a long and nuanced response to that but it's all academic now and I'm not in the mood. I may not be in the mood to post for a while actually. Fuck this country into the hell
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be aggro on you specifically, this stuff just really sets me off. Elections are always hard. Take care and all that.
Small comfort can be taken from Fraser '19 votes, 14 words' Anning's failure to get re-elected, and Tony Abbott's unceremonious dumping by his electorate. But it's small comfort indeed.
