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i tried to talk about this like a year ago, bringing up sakai and hammerquists work on the nature of fascism, because really i think that unless you actually define what you are talking about when you reference "fascism" then it becomes nothing but a rhetorical insult – britain is fascist, so is america, so is mexico and turkey and india and suddenly they're all fascist, which means that you have no real distinction between fascism and just bourgeoisie imperialist rule, which is not to say that for the majority of the world that is not its own horror. For me, the government in india is not the same as the government in britain, or japan, or colombia, and so to call them all fascist seems so...weak, erasing the distinctions and replacing the nuances of a geopolitical understanding of imperialism, neocolonialism and fascism with just....they're all fascist

For example if you are defining Britain as fascist now, then it has to have been always fascist – the british empire was itself fascist, unless someone wants to point to a particular point in history and say that was the crisis from which fascism was the only escape for an embattled bourgeoisie mired in crisis and no longer able to perpetuate its own rule? Now i don’t really care if you do chose to use a "reactionary dictatorship of the baddest elements of the bourgeoisie" as your definition of fascism, so long as you like say thats what you actually mean. But for me you cant compare britain now, with Mussolini's italy... it just doesnt work. Where was the crisis which the british bourgeoisie were not able to cope with? Where was the reactionary mass movement of non-proletarian strata which they turned to as a last resort? If the bourgeoisie are still in power imo it cannot be fascist because it is bourgeoisie rule, capitalist rule. Contrast that to how in Nazi germany hitler wasnt like taking orders from the bourgeoisie, they didnt say “invade here”, start a world war; or “kill all the jews” to their puppet, that was and is a defining aspect of western petty-bourgeoisie (and labour aristocracy failsons) conspiracy when met with proletarianisation, the desire to punch down, while also being super mad at those above.

Say take colombia, you need to explain a method whereby fascism can originate in a neo-colonial state independently of its neo-colonial master – im not saying its impossible, but if US backed repression in its neo-colonies is fascist, wheres the distinction between that and Britain in India? The paramilitarys in central and southern america, are they fascist, in that they represent a definite non-proletarian class element who wishes to rule instead of the bourgioisie to which they turn as a last resort? Or are they direct tools of imperialist repression, of the imperilist and neo-colonial bourgioisie?

in this way something like ISIS would much better fit the workings of fascism, in that it was something relatively new, unleashed by Amerikkkan and Saudi bourgeoisie rule, but not directly under their control, and wishing to seize state power for itself, and drive women back under mens boots, drawn in a large part from the middle strata of Saudi (and other) men who are confronted with a future where opportunities in the country are being cut, mad at their corrupt rulers and america, as well as those below them. And so this highly reactionary and dangerous non-proletarian male mass can be funnelled elsewhere and used for the ends of imperialism, but not, as with a paramilitary group in a neo-colony, directly taking orders to perpetuate neo-colonial exploitation by one of the main imperialist countries...

….just a thought
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in this way something like ISIS would much better fit the workings of fascism, in that it was something relatively new, unleashed by Amerikkkan and Saudi bourgeoisie rule, but not directly under their control, and wishing to seize state power for itself, and drive women back under mens boots, drawn in a large part from the middle strata of Saudi (and other) men who are confronted with a future where opportunities in the country are being cut, mad at their corrupt rulers and america, as well as those below them. And so this highly reactionary and dangerous non-proletarian male mass can be funnelled elsewhere and used for the ends of imperialism, but not, as with a paramilitary group in a neo-colony, directly taking orders to perpetuate neo-colonial exploitation by one of the main imperialist countries...


i thought sakai outright said this somewhere(although he was talking about al qaeda rather than ISIS specifically since this was a while ago)?

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That was Shock of Recognition. The kermitdribble post was actually down for a while but looks like its back up http://kersplebedeb.com/posts/the-shock-of-recognition/
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lo posted:

tears posted:

i thought sakai outright said this somewhere(although he was talking about al qaeda rather than ISIS specifically since this was a while ago)?


he probably did, however in true western commie style i wrote that from half remebered bits of brain thoughts with no effort to check anything

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That was Shock of Recognition. The kermitdribble post was actually down for a while but looks like its back up http://kersplebedeb.com/posts/the-shock-of-recognition/



This is a great article that I need to reread (since I’m rereading settlers too atm). thanks!

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RHIZZONE 2011: no one here would believe this Chris Hitchens Islamo fascism stuff in a million years!

NARRATOR: They were right. It would take them seven years.
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Hungary is CANCELED and Poland is officially On Notice, and that's the tea
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Re: OP: Theres a case to be made for including United States of America on this list https://abc7ny.com/1204045/
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usa is definitely fash at this point imo
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https://www.barrons.com/articles/hungarian-stocks-look-cheap-as-growth-surges-1541792838

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DynCorp-trained police are rolling through Port-au-Prince today and doing literal drive-by shootings
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rolaids posted:

That was Shock of Recognition. The kermitdribble post was actually down for a while but looks like its back up http://kersplebedeb.com/posts/the-shock-of-recognition/



Thanks for this. it is indeed excellent.

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Brazil...
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every time I see this somewhere I grow in power & become stronger

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gorilla communes sounds p fucking sweet. wait this all sounds pretty fucking sweet
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MAD-HOLE
COUNTRY OF THE SCREAMERS
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kangarat murder society is the name of my darkjazz/mathcore band

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deez nutz
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swampman posted:

new york city


prisoners in brooklyn, many (most?) of whom have not been convicted of any crime, have no heat in their prison

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jesus, americans really are fucking monsters
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lo posted:

is there a fascist equivalent of trots who think that all actually existing socialism was bullshit


Basically ancaps.

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What if the Fascist countries are the friends we made along the way?
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I've encountered some ancaps on the internet and they seem like right-wing Trots to me. They have this bizarre ideology that says capitalism has never existed, and there's a critique of "statism" but in all likelihood if you put ancaps in charge they'd just mutate into fascists (because they are fascists). Around 2016-2017 there was a moment when these tendencies started to merge together and I think that was constructive in exposing the fascist nature of anarcho-capitalism.

There was also an ancap author who caused some embarrasment to the Ludwig von Mises Institute recently because he was set to self-publish a book called "White, Right, and Libertarian" with a foreword from Hans-Hermann Hoppe, which sounds dodgy enough but then the author published the cover showing a helicopter carrying four stick figure dead bodies under the skis with ropes around their necks and with little symbols on them representing communists, Muslims, anti-fascists and feminists. The Institute then quickly published Hoppe's foreword on its own website with references to the author removed so it'd just read like a generic call-to-arms for ancappery -- if the author proceeded to publish the book with the cover and Hoppe's foreword, the Institute could claim he had plagiarized Hoppe.

Marxist analysis of fascism seems like it has been reemerging as well which was not the case in the 1990s.

A book recommendation in PDF: Fascism and Political Theory: Critical perspectives on fascist ideology by Daniel Woodley

https://cdchester.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Daniel-Woodley-Fascism-and-Political-Theory_-Critical-Perspectives-on-Fascist-Ideology-Routledge-Issues-in-Contemporary-Political-Theory-2009.pdf
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Ancaps are so loathsome because they're basically just libertarian right wingers but they somehow believe they're not, and they perceive themselves as radicals and they go wandering about in left-wing spaces, as if theyre one of us, while they call us all authoritarian for thinking Fidel Castro is good
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There's a whole ancap community on YouTube full of furries, conspiracy theorists, and some pretty overt racists. It's very easy to see how people get sucked into the Libertarian to Alt-Right pipeline when you understand the rhetoric of these batshit insane weirdos with thousands of subscribers.
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psychicdriver posted:

Esoteric The Free


Big the Chungus

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ilmdge posted:

Ancaps are so loathsome because they're basically just libertarian right wingers but they somehow believe they're not, and they perceive themselves as radicals and they go wandering about in left-wing spaces, as if theyre one of us, while they call us all authoritarian for thinking Fidel Castro is good


I used to run into a lot of online debates that are just ancaps and Trots yelling at each other about not real capitalism and not real socialism, which resulted one day in me emitting this dying seal sound and then I stopped reading those debates. If I feel the urge -- likely deriving from some underlying perversion -- to subject myself to that again then I can just exorcise it by reading old transcripts of Mao and Nixon meetings where they go "yes, Mr. General Secretary, our systems differ substantially," "mmm yes indeed, there are many troublesome problems."

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this is another thing i get from reading Thug Lessons's twitter, if I want to see a random sample of the hyper-hyphenated ultra-sects the grumpy spelling bee kids are into nowadays I can just look at the likes on a post i don't understand, and i'll learn that Anarcho-monarchist is something a young United States petty-bourg man calls himself, though I'll never know what it means because it's impossible for anyone to explain it, especially that guy. the gift that keeps on giving imo
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cars posted:

this is another thing i get from reading Thug Lessons's twitter, if I want to see a random sample of the hyper-hyphenated ultra-sects the grumpy spelling bee kids are into nowadays I can just look at the likes on a post i don't understand, and i'll learn that Anarcho-monarchist is something a young United States petty-bourg man calls himself, though I'll never know what it means because it's impossible for anyone to explain it, especially that guy. the gift that keeps on giving imo



Petty bourg ancap-monarcho-fairytale boys are all just naive hobbit creatures who want to live in Hobbiton, a seemingly decentralized utopian smallholder community of settlers, but are stuck in a suburban bubble, which is in reality propped up and defended by fascists and clergy in the east genociding the oriental ugly monsters in Mordor SSR who are just trying to industrialize to feed themselves

Also if anyone cites the silmarillion in response get fucked

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im glad i could find this with just a couple vague search terms lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/3ucp8y/i_was_beat_up_by_left_anarchists_in_greece/
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cars posted:

this is another thing i get from reading Thug Lessons's twitter, if I want to see a random sample of the hyper-hyphenated ultra-sects the grumpy spelling bee kids are into nowadays I can just look at the likes on a post i don't understand, and i'll learn that Anarcho-monarchist is something a young United States petty-bourg man calls himself, though I'll never know what it means because it's impossible for anyone to explain it, especially that guy. the gift that keeps on giving imo


many years ago i was posting on a forum and some guy registered and after seeming normal at first he started dropping like white nationalist talking points casually and people were like what the hell man and ran him off. anyway it turned out that he had come from this reactionary/far right forum where one of the things they did is have a little label next to people's avatars that said what their ideology was. i looked at the forum a bit and there was one guy there who i remember because his label said 'bonapartist' and many of his posts appeared to be about super traditional interpretations of catholicism, and basically i always think of him whenever i hear about weird self labelled made up ideology guys online.

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Petty bourg ancap-monarcho-fairytale boys are all just naive hobbit creatures who want to live in Hobbiton, a seemingly decentralized utopian smallholder community of settlers, but are stuck in a suburban bubble, which is in reality propped up and defended by fascists and clergy in the east genociding the oriental ugly monsters in Mordor SSR who are just trying to industrialize to feed themselves

Also if anyone cites the silmarillion in response get fucked


you reminded me of this book

The Last Ringbearer (Russian: Последний кольценосец) is a 1999 fantasy book by Russian author Kirill Eskov. It is an alternative account of, and an informal sequel to, the events of J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings

The novel is based on the premise that the Tolkien account is a "history written by the victors". In Eskov's version of the story, Mordor is described as a peaceful country on the verge of an industrial revolution, that is a threat to the war-mongering and imperialistic faction represented by Gandalf (whose attitude has been described by Saruman as "crafting the Final Solution to the Mordorian problem") and the elves.

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Huh. I like that. That's basically what Frank Herbert did when he wrote Dune by flipping the assumptions of the Foundation trilogy on their head. Asimov's antagonist (The Mule) becomes Herbert's protagonist (Paul). Herbert was a libertarian-minded dude and didn't like technocrats or planning.

Gonna write Starship Troopers but from the perspective of the bugs.