aerdil posted:
god im upvoting a lot of crow posts today
I'm sure you'll like this one:
http://blog.voyou.org/2011/11/04/no-one-cares-about-property-damage
Liberals complain about property damage during the various marches and actions, but they’re quick to add that it is not they themselves who are disturbed or offended; rather, they are concerned about the effect this property damage will have on others, particularly the cops who will react violently and the media who will focus on images of destruction to the exclusion of whatever else the demonstration achieved. The liberal’s position here is perverse in the Lacanian sense: it expresses itself not as an actual desire, but as a desire to be the instrument of the desire of some fantasized other. Part of what supports this disavowed desire is that the objection to property damage can present itself as neutral, even expert, strategic advice. It’s bad strategic advice, though, and I think in a revealing way.
& FROM: http://networkedblogs.com/pudYm
But, more seriously: what "agent provocateur" truly indexes is the quintuple notion that
a) as Voyou* notes, the fantasy that there is not already a state game plan in action, as if - notwithstanding the genuine, and vicious, decisions that get made on the ground on the basis of a general predisposition to treat people like that, such as the now-infamous of throwing of a flash-bang grenade into a crowd of people surrounding a man who would require brain surgery - the police were a neutral substance that responded solely on the basis of a catalyst such as "property destruction."
b) that there is a predetermined object - a "protest" - that already exists, that is capable of being "ruined." The clusterfuck of predictable media condemnation and predictable "left" infighting over the minor chaos of Rome a couple weeks back entirely confirmed this: the discourse centered around the idea that there was a perfectly good demonstration and a few shits - "bad apples", of course, as if the harvest were ripe, untainted, yet subject to the transmission of decay - who went and spoiled this safe, edible, lovely thing. What this implies, then, is a conception of a protest as something that "everyone" knows damn well how it should go: a set number of hours, the expected quantity of chants performed and flags waved, and a return home at the end, having put in a good day's work. The echoes of labor time are far from incidental. And who could blame some for wanting to ruin it?
c) conversely, that a situation itself neutral, undecided, not agitated but capable of being provoked. A slim beam of contingency.
d) the correct assertion that there do exist, at times, agent provocateurs.
e) the incorrect notion that there are not amongst us who, God for-fucking-bid, might not wish to be provocative, that we might not want our days to end up exhausted, excited, confused, gutted as an abandoned building, taken over by something bigger than ourselves, blown away by how previous lines of adherence came apart, uncertain of what has or what may come to pass.
I don't think these assessments necessarily contradict the previous post, it does frame the debate in terms of our purposes, though. There is nothing necessarily 'wrong' about militant action resulting in property damage, but it must be properly deployed, not busting some windows at Starbucks as much as breaking police barricades for a shuttered community center, with communal plans in place.
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discipline posted:
Why doesn't anyone rob banks anymore
people still do, but usually smalls ones that dont carry much cash nowadays, and the big banks are so hard to rob now too. also, they have serious PR and damage control, so no big stories about robbing sprees lest people get idears (we'll see if they'll spring back up with another depression tho..)
dm posted:
does anyone know about this shit: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1889153,00.html
some of it is nonsense and some of it is rather creepy but i'm wondering if it is a sort of new development in the neoliberal state. some of it is basically just about ways to get people to comply with all kinds of small shit that can eventually add up to a significant force. it's also not easy to perceive because the changes are always small and gradual
e: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Cialdini
it gets worse. a lot worse.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/17/obama-digital-data-machine-facebook-election
Obama, Facebook and the power of friendship: the 2012 data election
A unified computer database that gathers and refines information on millions of potential voters is at the forefront of campaign technology – and could be the key to an Obama win
Barack Obama's re-election team are building a vast digital data operation that for the first time combines a unified database on millions of Americans with the power of Facebook to target individual voters to a degree never achieved before.
Digital analysts predict this will be the first election cycle in which Facebook could become a dominant political force. The social media giant has grown exponentially since the last presidential election, rendering it for the first time a major campaigning tool that has the potential to transform friendship into a political weapon.
Facebook is also being seen as a source of invaluable data on voters. The re-election team, Obama for America, will be inviting its supporters to log on to the campaign website via Facebook, thus allowing the campaign to access their personal data and add it to the central data store – the largest, most detailed and potentially most powerful in the history of political campaigns. If 2008 was all about social media, 2012 is destined to become the "data election".
"Facebook is now ubiquitous," says Dan Siroker, a former Google digital analyst who joined Obama's campaign in 2008 and now runs his own San Francisco-based analytics consultancy, Optimizely. "Whichever candidate uses Facebook the most effectively could win the war."
For the past nine months a crack team of some of America's top data wonks has occupied an entire floor of the Prudential building in Chicago devising a digital campaign from the bottom up. The team draws much of its style and inspiration from the corporate sector, with its driving ambition to create a vote-garnering machine that is smooth, unobtrusive and ruthlessly efficient.
Already more than 100 geeks, some recruited at top-flight university job fairs including Stanford, are assembled in the Prudential drawn from an array of disciplines: statisticians, predictive modellers, data mining experts, mathematicians, software engineers, bloggers, internet advertising experts and online organisers.
At the core is a single beating heart – a unified computer database that gathers and refines information on millions of committed and potential Obama voters. The database will allow staff and volunteers at all levels of the campaign – from the top strategists answering directly to Obama's campaign manager Jim Messina to the lowliest canvasser on the doorsteps of Ohio – to unlock knowledge about individual voters and use it to target personalised messages that they hope will mobilise voters where it counts most.
Every time an individual volunteers to help out – for instance by offering to host a fundraising party for the president – he or she will be asked to log onto the re-election website with their Facebook credentials. That in turn will engage Facebook Connect, the digital interface that shares a user's personal information with a third party.
Consciously or otherwise, the individual volunteer will be injecting all the information they store publicly on their Facebook page – home location, date of birth, interests and, crucially, network of friends – directly into the central Obama database.
"If you log in with Facebook, now the campaign has connected you with all your relationships," a digital campaign organiser who has worked on behalf of Obama says.
The potential benefits of the strategy can already be felt. The Obama campaign this year has attracted about 1.3 million donors, 98% of whom have contributed $250 or less – that's more than double the number at the same stage in 2008. At this rate, Obama is also well on the way towards staging the world's first billion-dollar campaign.
Under its motto "Bigger, better, 2012", the Chicago team intends between now and election day in November to create a campaign powerhouse which will allow fundraisers, advertisers and state and local organisers to draw from the same data source.
Joe Rospars, the campaign's chief digital strategist, told a seminar at the Guardian-sponsored Social Media Week that the aim was to create technology that encourages voters to get involved, in tune with Obama's emphasis on community organising.
Campaign insiders say that the emphasis this year will be on efficiency more than any headline-grabbing technical wizardry. But that should not obscure how significant this year's presidential cycle will be in putting to the test the first custom-made digital campaign.
Mark Sullivan, founder of Voter Activation Network, which manages the Democratic party's central database of voter information known as Vote Builder, says that "what we will see in 2012 will make 2008 look really primitive".
Judith Freeman of New Organizing Institute, who worked on both John Kerry's 2004 and Obama's 2008 presidential campaigns, says there is a leap forward in technology every presidential cycle, and 2012 would be no exception. "There's a deadline – it's got to be done by election day – and that provides a huge push to make things happen."
In 2008 the Obama digital team was lauded around the world for its groundbreaking work on internet fundraising. Yet in fact, the separation of its data on voters into several distinct silos forced high-level staffers to spend hours manually downloading information from one database to another.
The Obama team in 2008 did a good job in beginning to tear down those walls, releasing extraordinary fundraising energy in the process that raised about $500m online.
This year the Chicago team hasn't knocked down the walls so much as dispensed with them altogether. They have built from the ground up a unified database that incorporates and connects everything the campaign knows about a voter within it.
Rospars said that in 2012 they no longer had to try to integrate data in the campaign. "We are just one campaign now – we built it from scratch."
The centralised nature of the database may raise privacy issues as the election cycle progresses. Jeff Chester of the digital advertising watchdog Center for Digital Democracy, which has been calling for regulators to review the growth of digital marketing in politics, said that "this is beyond J Edgar Hoover's dream. In its rush to exploit the power of digital data to win re-election, the Obama campaign appears to be ignoring the ethical and moral implications."
But from the vantage point of the campaign the benefits are evident.
"Fusing your data into one central store is cheaper, quicker and allows you to be more targeted," said Jim Pugh, who was part of Obama's 2008 digital team and now works for the progressive online movement, Rebuild the Dream.
The Obama database incorporates Vote Builder, a store of essential information such as age, postal address, occupation and voting history drawn from the voter files of 190 million active voters. It lines up and matches those voter files with data gathered from online interactions with the president's supporters – notably the millions of pieces of information its army of canvassers collected across the nation during the 2008 race, a list of email addresses of supporters that it has amassed and that now stands at about 23 million, as well as the contact information of Obama's 25 million Facebook fans.
Facebook itself has been transformed as a political campaign tool since 2008, simply by dint of its exponential growth. Four years ago there were about 40 million Facebook users in the US; now there are more than 160 million – incorporating almost the entire voting public.
The significance of the fusion of Facebook and voter file data is hard to overemphasise. "This is the Moneyball moment for politics," says Sam Graham-Felsen, Obama's chief blogger in 2008. "If you can figure out how to leverage the power of friendship, that opens up incredible possibilities."
First among those possibilities is that the campaign can distribute customised content designed specifically for its Facebook fans to share with their much wider circle of friends. The messages can be honed to a particular demographic – age, gender, etc – as well as set of interests, and targeted on the most hotly contested parts of the most crucial battleground states.
"Influencers" – those people who tend to act as thought leaders among their friends on Facebook – can be identified and prioritised.
Teddy Goff, the digital director of the re-election team, told Social Media Week that as the year progresses there would be more and more "persuasion through interaction".
Individual voters would be given access to digital platforms from which they will be able to tell their own stories "and that's far more powerful than anything we can say", Goff said. "That will be the story of this election. People's own stories really moves votes."
Goff said the campaign was focused on building relationships through social media. An Obama message would be crafted so that "not only can it be passed to your friends but to those friends that we think are most in need of passing it on to".
The bottom line is that if you are sent a message from your Facebook friend encouraging you to turn up to an event or donate to Obama, you are vastly more likely to respond than if the request comes from an anonymous campaign staffer.
The other door that data integration will further open in 2012 is personalised marketing. This has been the Holy Grail of political campaigners for decades: the idea that you can talk directly to voters and serve them customised messages.
In the old world of snail mail, that could be achieved to some degree through direct marketing – ie leaflets dropped into the letter box – but that is expensive and far too slow with today's 24-hour news cycle.
The fusion of information into a centralised database allows you to direct market online at much less cost and virtually instantaneously.
The technique has begun to spread widely among commercial businesses over the past year, and it is only a matter of time before such hyper-targeting is standard across political campaigns. Indeed, we've already started to see it this year.
The Obama campaign has already tailored a single donation request to 26 distinct segments of the voting public. The Republicans are also getting in on the act.
Michele Bachmann used customised online advertising in Iowa to reach Republican voters only, sending to their computers messages with a local spin for each of the state's 99 counties. That helped her win Iowa's vaunted straw poll in August 2011 (though that didn't help her in the long run). Rick Perry sent God-praising commercials to Iowans who listed themselves as evangelicals on Facebook.
The company CampaignGrid, that serves mainly Republican candidates, claims to be able to online market direct to targeted households. It has an integrated database on 110 million voters across America – some 65% of the electorate – to whom it can serve personalised ads, following them wherever they are browsing on the internet.
Jeff Dittus, the company's co-founder, illustrates what this means. He worked on behalf of one unidentified Republican presidential candidate, serving online ads in the Miami-Dade region of Florida specifically to 400,000 individuals who had voted in at least two of the four previous Republican primaries. The adverts were further customised for gender, and for Spanish speaking.
They were distributed to the individuals through internet ad exchanges that allow for instantaneous filtering of users the nanosecond they click onto a video on any one of four million websites. In that flash, if you fitted the criterion you were served with a 30-second pre-roll video from the candidate delivering a message to you that you would have found remarkably personal.
"I'm sure this is the future of digital political campaigning," said CampaignGrid's CEO Jeff Dittus.
Drew Brighton, CEO of TargetSmart Communications, is hoping to do the same hyper-targeting for Democratic and progressive politicians and causes through his new product Target Blue. It matches up the details of up to 50m cookies embedded on individual computers with voter files and uses it to identify Democratic-leaning individuals to whom it can serve customised ads wherever they go on the web.
The company is also developing a system for targeting Democratic voters through their computer IP addresses down to such tightly drawn areas or "IP zones" as just 20 households. That allows for micro-targeting depending on the average income bracket, age profile and concerns of that tiny locality.
The elephant in the room, of course, is television, which continues to dominate advertising spending by political campaigns. Most analysts agree that 2012 has come too soon for any equally transformative leaps forward in targeted or "addressable" TV advertising.
Cable television can close in on geographic zones ranging from a few thousand to up to 100,000 viewers allowing campaigns to shape their messages to those clusters. The tighter the geographical area that can be drawn, the more efficient the TV advertising becomes as campaign managers can focus on primarily-Democratic, Republican or independent neighbourhoods.
But its still a relatively blunt instrument. The prize would be to be able to fuse cable subscriptions with voter files so that TV adverts could be sent to households of a specific political persuasion.
Technically, that's already possible. Comcast Spotlight, the advertising arm of Comcast Cable, has run trials of commercial as opposed to political addressable advertising in Baltimore. Adverts custom-made to speak to various demographic groups were piped into 60,000 identified households, though the personal details were removed to protect privacy. The results confirmed the power of the technology: homes receiving addressable adverts tuned away a third less of the time than homes receiving untargeted commercials.
Dan Sinagoga, who specialises in political advertising at Comcast Spotlight, says that all advertisers, but political ones in particular, "would like to be doing addressable advertising yesterday". But he said it was unlikely to happen in any great quantity in 2012 as there are too many hurdles, including concerns in Washington about the privacy of cable TV consumers.
No such impediment will hold back the digital explosion this year. As an Obama insider puts it: "Give us less wood, and we'll make more fire."
i think its going to be worse than charlie brooker predicted
I'm gonna keep going because you've done something truly remarkable. You actually got me to say such painful things in front of other people and then you managed to take issue with how I was doing it! That's incredible. Ever since I got out, it's been exactly the opposite. None of my closest friends and family want to hear anything about it. They deny it, rationalize it, and/or just show extreme discomfort when I talk about it. It would be really embarrassing to bring up to pretty much everyone I've met since then.
It's not something I use as a greeting. It's not something I put on job applications. I don't joke about it to make friends. I don't whisper it into the ear of a lover to show how much I care.
It's alright though, just help me find a therapist who doesn't even know these places exist.
But enough about me, let's talk about the plans you had to drop in like commandos and save the kids. There are a lot of options in terms of what we can do with them at that point because they will already be reliant on us for food and shelter. They wouldn't know that we didn't really know how to use the level system so we could just fake it and make things up as we go along. They'd never notice. After that, they can come help us do whatever we think will make the world a better place.
We can get them to exact revenge for what they went through by having them fight with some riot cops. If they got arrested they would at least have a clearer idea of where they were and why they were there. We can have the rest publicly humiliate one another for all to see to show what happened to them while they were on the inside. It would be kinda like a battlecry to rally reinforcements. I can personally attest that those things might not be entirely implausible because they had us do some pretty weird shit.
he had used "death is a gift" as a thread tag and i had to actively insist i was alive to get him to remove it.
discipline posted:
Why doesn't anyone rob banks anymore
Stalin...
discipline posted:
Why doesn't anyone rob banks anymore
attica. Attica. aTticA!!!
Tinkzorg posted:
what teh frack are you tolkien about
dm came over for dinner at my place about a year ago and wont shut up about it:roll:
Tinkzorg posted:
what teh frack are you tolkien about
This shit. It's way bigger than anyone knows and it is not really just "rich white kids" or some other sort of deserving subject that needs to be taken down a peg or two. If I should keep going, I'll make a separate thread where I can start going through it a little bit at a time and we can theorize and what not (seriously, nobody has done better). You don't want to know but really you do.
No projecting the desire to discuss it on me.
Lord James of Blackheath spoke during a meeting of the UK House of Lords on February 16 and produced evidence of $15 trillion in what he claims are fraudulent transactions from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, to Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corporation (HSBC), which then transferred the funds to the Bank of Scotland. The Bank of Scotland then allegedly distributed the money among 20 banks throughout Europe allowing them to engage in a high-profit scheme which accumulated trillions more dollars over the course of eight years; and all off the books. Blackheath states that Alan Greenspan was an eyewitness to the initial transfers, and that Timothy Geitner signed off on claims that that the funds were backed by 750,000 tons of gold, despite the fact that this is more than four times the estimated total of gold ever mined from the Earth (approximately 150,000 – 160,000 tons, according to the most liberal estimates). Lord James has a reputable history with regards to the investigation of money laundering by terrorist organizations, and is known for having exposed the Iraqi “supergun” program.
i have no idea what to make of this
shennong posted:
http://www.nationofchange.org/uk-house-lords-asked-initiate-investigation-massive-international-financial-fraud-1330100279Lord James of Blackheath spoke during a meeting of the UK House of Lords on February 16 and produced evidence of $15 trillion in what he claims are fraudulent transactions from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, to Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corporation (HSBC), which then transferred the funds to the Bank of Scotland. The Bank of Scotland then allegedly distributed the money among 20 banks throughout Europe allowing them to engage in a high-profit scheme which accumulated trillions more dollars over the course of eight years; and all off the books. Blackheath states that Alan Greenspan was an eyewitness to the initial transfers, and that Timothy Geitner signed off on claims that that the funds were backed by 750,000 tons of gold, despite the fact that this is more than four times the estimated total of gold ever mined from the Earth (approximately 150,000 – 160,000 tons, according to the most liberal estimates). Lord James has a reputable history with regards to the investigation of money laundering by terrorist organizations, and is known for having exposed the Iraqi “supergun” program.
i have no idea what to make of this
i hadn't been watching the news or anything so no idea yet
Blackheath states that Alan Greenspan was an eyewitness to the initial transfers, and that Timothy Geitner signed off on claims that that the funds were backed by 750,000 tons of gold, despite the fact that this is more than four times the estimated total of gold ever mined from the Earth (approximately 150,000 – 160,000 tons, according to the most liberal estimates).
nobody actually knows how much gold there is or where all of it is and it's like this weird thing. there have been a lot of scams involved with mining gold too since the 1970's. so yeah, it looks like a political move of some sort i guess. there's also shit going on with oil again
dm posted:
there's also shit going on with oil again
is this general speculation or something different?
The Federal Reserve is aware of a fraudulent scam involving individuals using the names Yohannes Riyadi and/or Wilfredo Saurin, or persons claiming to be representatives of these two men. In a typical version of this scam, Mr. Riyadi and/or his delegates falsely claim that they have on deposit with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York several U.S. Treasury Checks issued to Mr. Riyadi amounting to billions of dollars.
(it may be worth considering why it is that a scam known from 2007 is now circulating as alarming news)
methlabretriever posted:dm posted:
there's also shit going on with oil againis this general speculation or something different?
it's the same thing as before basically and it's just sort of going to keep happening until much more general problems are addressed in some way. the technical details are only worth going through insofar as economists necessitate it.
mistersix posted:
a friend of mine posted that to my facebook a couple of days ago so i did some vague googling, at the time all i really found was some ron paulist pages claiming it must have been how the bailouts were paid for or something.
to be fair there could be some truth to that. the International Financial System has become sort of like a black hole that's going to try to keep sucking things into it for the foreseeable future. hence the procedural difficulties
shennong posted:Lord James of Blackheath spoke during a meeting of the UK House of Lords on February 16 and produced evidence of $15 trillion in what he claims are fraudulent transactions from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, to Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corporation (HSBC), which then transferred the funds to the Bank of Scotland. The Bank of Scotland then allegedly distributed the money among 20 banks throughout Europe allowing them to engage in a high-profit scheme which accumulated trillions more dollars over the course of eight years; and all off the books. Blackheath states that Alan Greenspan was an eyewitness to the initial transfers, and that Timothy Geitner signed off on claims that that the funds were backed by 750,000 tons of gold, despite the fact that this is more than four times the estimated total of gold ever mined from the Earth (approximately 150,000 – 160,000 tons, according to the most liberal estimates). Lord James has a reputable history with regards to the investigation of money laundering by terrorist organizations, and is known for having exposed the Iraqi “supergun” program.
i have no idea what to make of this
its definitely a scam. a few months ago he started going on about an organisation called Foundation X that was going to bail out britain with £75bn or some shit
hes probably senile
Bitcoin, everyone’s favorite anonymous and somewhat fungible cryptographically backed currency, means many things to many people: speculation vehicle, anarcho-capitalist fetish, scam, or even convenient way to buy drugs over the internet. The currency sparked a frenzy last summer when media attention drove the price of Bitcoins to $30 each, but enthusiasm has since waned. Extreme price volatility and limited usability will do that to a young currency.
In another blow to widespread adoption, TradeHill, an American exchange where Bitcoins can be bought, sold, and converted into other currencies, announced it was suspending trading. In a post on the company blog, TradeHill Chief Executive Officer Jered Kenna cited “increasing regulation” and a lack of funds. “TradeHill can not operate in it’s current capacity without proper money transmission licensing … e have deemed the best course of action is to halt trading and pursue licensing while raising funds,” he wrote. He also stated that all assets in TradeHill accounts would be returned to clients.
Although TradeHill’s troubles could be mostly due to simple cash flow issues, Ars Technica reports U.S. regulatory authorities haven’t quite figured out what to do with Bitcoin. As a Treasury spokesman told Bank Technology News last month: “The anonymous transfer of significant wealth is obviously a money-laundering risk … At some level we are aware of Bitcoin and other similar operations, and we are studying the mechanism behind Bitcoin.” The spokesman didn’t specify how the government would apply money-laundering laws to Bitcoin.
The Federal Government is the biggest property owner in the United States, and billions of taxpayer dollars are wasted each year on government properties that are no longer needed. The President has proposed an independent Civilian Property Realignment Board to help the Federal Government cut through red tape and competing stakeholder interests to sell or get rid of property it no longer needs. Over time, this could save taxpayers billions of dollars and help to reduce the deficit.
This map shows just the tip of the iceberg in terms of opportunities for downsizing the Federal real estate portfolio. Under the President’s proposal, more properties, in some cases with significant market value, would be added to this map and dealt with more quickly and effectively than they are today.
President Obama and Vice President Biden launched the Campaign to Cut Waste to eliminate misspent tax dollars in every agency and department across the Federal Government. Getting properties like those highlighted below off our books is a key first step in this effort.
e: PR fallout from Graeber's book: https://www.npr.org/books/titles/146489652/paper-promises-debt-money-and-the-new-world-order
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dm posted:
e: PR fallout from Graeber's book: https://www.npr.org/books/titles/146489652/paper-promises-debt-money-and-the-new-world-order
lol
Schiff, 46, is facing another kind of jam this year: Paid a lower bonus, he said the $350,000 he earns, enough to put him in the country’s top 1 percent by income, doesn’t cover his family’s private-school tuition, a Kent, Connecticut, summer rental and the upgrade they would like from their 1,200-square- foot Brooklyn duplex.
“I feel stuck,” Schiff said. “The New York that I wanted to have is still just beyond my reach.”
The smaller bonus checks that hit accounts across the financial-services industry this month are making it difficult to maintain the lifestyles that Wall Street workers expect, according to interviews with bankers and their accountants, therapists, advisers and headhunters.
“People who don’t have money don’t understand the stress,” said Alan Dlugash, a partner at accounting firm Marks Paneth & Shron LLP in New York who specializes in financial planning for the wealthy. “Could you imagine what it’s like to say I got three kids in private school, I have to think about pulling them out? How do you do that?”
it still boggles my mind that rich epople lay out their lives like this in bloomberg of all places
discipline posted:aerdil posted:
spot teh rhizzonerGet your hand off that woman jeez
yeah, no kidding
girdles_gone_wild posted:
what would the world be like if everyone had engineering degrees and MBAs?
no change
girdles_gone_wild posted:
what would the world be like if everyone had engineering degrees and MBAs?
would be terrible wityhout the law students
eat shit grumblefish
animedad posted:
no change