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nuremberg for insanely brutally murdering hundreds of millions of bees with chemicals warfare because it would have slowed profits to come up with a better way

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dang i had never heard of the charleston thing and i got folks up there. or the aids thing fuck, i had a whole other list of reasons to despise thses agglomerations of capital but those seem reall high profile
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there needs to be a "killing hope" for capital-sponsored health and environmental disasters
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c_man posted:

there needs to be a "killing hope" for capital-sponsored health and environmental disasters


Rhizzone Project

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putting this on the front page

(edit 3: done)

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Speaking of German companies who worked for the Nazis, I used to interact with a lot of ThyssenKrupp elevator technicians. Elevating Device Technicians make about as much money as you can make in Canada while still being blue collar (definite worker elite territory, six figure salary and union benefits, all white guys).

I would tell every tech I met that Krupp was a major heavy industry player for the Nazis. I stopped telling them when I realized they all already knew that, and they really didn't like to talk about it.

I guess the money was too good to have a conscience about it. Apparently some Jewish owned buildings refuse to install Krupp elevators
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re: elevator service companies, tk is often the only game in a given town. if you feel you have a calling to enter the elevating device technician profession there may not be any other options but to hunker down with nazi profiteers and just follow orders
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never capitalise
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finally got the front page working again. the group SumOfUs made and released a cool image that i used as the header. this is me attributing it to them.
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Ok what does socialist construction in the chemical industry look like. What use are the skills of, say, operators in a refinery. And what form of struggle could really proceed against refineries and chemical factories that actually includes workers in them?
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toyotathon posted:

comprador scientist "bee care" center


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tears posted:



this looked like a picture of people jumping out of the wtc at first

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Parenti posted:

this looked like a picture of people jumping out of the wtc at first


the fast and the furious: 9/11 drift

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stegosaurus posted:

And what form of struggle could really proceed against refineries and chemical factories that actually includes workers in them?


I have a limited perspective on this (as told to me by someone else.) Some chem industry mass production depends on supply chains of small quantity rare components and equipment produced in specialist labs that only a small handful of people know how to operate let alone maintain or repair. (some of this scarcity is artificial: entire labs full of expensive equipment are often shoved into pits and bulldozed rather than moved or resold when labs close)

Organized wildcat strike action or principled mass refusal to allow the production of unethically applied components by a small number machinists and chemists in some fields could threaten disproportionately huge amounts of high investment product and they wouldn't be easily replaceable by scabs. Alternatively, some genuinely useful scarce materials (especially in medicine) could easily be made much more readily available if the artificial scarcity manipulation constraints of the capitalist production mode were removed.

Too bad lots of the real big nasty shit that one might want to organize around stopping, white phosphorus for example, is comparatively trivial to manufacture and doesn't have this specialist bottleneck problem.

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i know nothing about chemical manufacturing but i know that's exactly how it works at any company with regards to the core of their IT / software, even at the gigantic supercorporations, there is a tiny, tiny, tiny core of people who know how the whole thing works, so that all adds up.

luckily software megagurus are really known for their communist sympathies
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Chemical manufacturing has this cool public-private partnership trick in which specialist equipment, technicians, and scientists at universities are contracted out to produce tiny amounts of difficult to obtain niche materials for industry in exchange for a tiny fraction of what they're actually worth on the market. It's kind of like girl guide cookies: the department treats it as "fund raising" but it a) is a use of valuable time and resources that could be directed at actual science, you know, the alleged purpose of the department b) makes dramatically more money for the companies they sell to than the department. So chem companies get the materials they need without having to invest long term in the necessary equipment and specialist workforce, and a huge profit margin on the produced materials, and the universities get uh, a pittance. Real clever stuff.
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How come the universities don't realize they're holding the shit end of the stick? Corrupt administrators?
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jansenist_drugstore posted:

Monsanto scientists frequently serve as peer-reviewers or sit on the editorial boards of such publications."



is there anything left that isn't corrupt beyond satire

can i still pet a cat without it being a capitalist scam

are you sure

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you say that like there's no multi-billion dollar pet-industrial complex
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Erin Brockovich's Killing Hope would be a sick book
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drwhat posted:

jansenist_drugstore posted:

Monsanto scientists frequently serve as peer-reviewers or sit on the editorial boards of such publications."

is there anything left that isn't corrupt beyond satire

can i still pet a cat without it being a capitalist scam

are you sure


idgi.. do people expect chem faculties to be untainted because it's supposed to be a 'pure' science? do you think electrical engineering is swimming in military bux only because it's not 'pure' science? there is a common denominator here, which i wont spell out except to say yes you can still pet your cat in peace

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Belphegor posted:

How come the universities don't realize they're holding the shit end of the stick? Corrupt administrators?


here's an off the cuff example about the integrity of universities: http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/campus-notes/2012/02/university-alberta-vs-nestl%C3%A9-controversy-and-honorary-degrees

"Water is, of course, the most important raw material we have today in the world. It's a question of whether we should privatize the normal water supply for the population. And there are two different opinions on the matter. The one opinion, which I think is extreme, is represented by the NGOs who bang on about declaring water a public right. That means that as a human being you should have a right to water. That's an extreme solution. And the other view says that water is a foodstuff like any other and like any other foodstuff it should have a market value."



they gave this man an honorary degree for "the preservation, distribution and management of one of humanity's most vital resources: water"

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Petrol posted:

idgi.. do people expect chem faculties to be untainted because it's supposed to be a 'pure' science? do you think electrical engineering is swimming in military bux only because it's not 'pure' science? there is a common denominator here, which i wont spell out except to say yes you can still pet your cat in peace


I don't actually have any expectation of that no, i was uselessly wringing my hands on an internet message board

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drwhat posted:

I don't actually have any expectation of that no, i was uselessly wringing my hands on an internet message board