Parenti posted:You can be glib about it cars, but holocaust denial suffuses the internet, the chan culture, etc. and is rarely consistently challenged. I agree this thread isn't appropriate but it's just taps forehead something to think about.
Caesura109 posted:also anything about the spread of certain anti-semitic conspiracy theories is interesting too. I've encountered the Rothschild jewish cabal conspiracy in arab nationalist circles as well, and they seem to be prevalent among nation of islam and some affiliated groups.
agreed. interesting, great, good and important questions to prioritize about Arab nationalism as Palestinian children are shot in the streets
Cars is right that this is all ancient history now in the face of Palestinian oppression. I myself have questioned whether identifying as a jew and leftists is still possible and what that means. But the fake history of jews as rich bankers is dangerous because it erases the essential role communism played in anti-semitism around the world and the importance of that in the success of the Bolshevik revolution (as well as the radical role of jews in the IWW and then CPUSA). We'll see a repetition of this for the 21st century when the further development of the global apartheid system eventually reveals the impossibility of anything but communism to address racism.
Caesura109 posted:genocide denial of every kind exists on the internet.
and genocide myth too! lookin at you, holodomor
Caesura109 posted:genocide denial of every kind exists on the internet. atrocity denial of every kind for that matter. why else would we be tucked away here, always a link or two away from some romanian nationalists' anime/wolfen ss admiration blog
i dont really know how this web site is 'always a link or two away' from romanian nazi anime(??) or whatever you're talking about
Caesura109 posted:bphn how much of that radical socialist tradition still exists among Jewish communities? Has it been mostly supplanted by zionism among the diaspora?
Basically none. Zionism was a punch in the gut but really it's just because the material conditions that make Jews a "nation" have disappeared, in the same way that all the other nations that were part of the 1880-1939 period were either absorbed into whiteness or become fractured on neocolonial lines. Jews no longer work in the garment factories or migrate in large numbers for labor reasons and there are no Jewish communities that contain the totality of social life except among the ultra-orthodox. I myself come from that tradition of New York communist jews and it was totally alien to my life, although I always hated Christianity and American consumerist religion. Even the anti-zionist organizations come out of liberal moralism rather than national self-determination on a socialist line.
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Caesura109 posted:I know I ask for a ton of recommendations (Im very bored and all my friends are abroad) but does anyone have a good Marxist essay/book about finding the balance between individual culpability and systemic eventuality regarding the financial collapse?
The Failure of Capitalist Production by Andrew Kliman is essential reading on the 08 collapse and crises in general
The fake left I refer to in this piece are perhaps even more insidious than those paid by foundations and non-profits. This band of leftists verbally states opposition to imperialism and an embrace of socialism in theory yet behaves more like amateur soft agents of the US intelligence services in practice.
These fake leftists reside in an alphabet soup of so-called Trotskyist organizations like the International Socialist Organization (ISO). So-called “Trotskyist” organizations have a long history of supporting US imperialism.
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:I used to read TV show reviews on the av club but I found myself drawn to them less and less. Eventually I came to the realization that these things shouldn't even exist. It's somebody recapping what happened on a tv episode, then saying if they thought it was good.
i think reviews that just line-by-line summarize individual episodes are pretty boring but ones that focus on easily missed subtleties, long-term story arcs or why certain elements work well together can be interesting to read, especially if they include behind-the-scenes information.
Synergy posted:le_nelson_mandela_face posted:I used to read TV show reviews on the av club but I found myself drawn to them less and less. Eventually I came to the realization that these things shouldn't even exist. It's somebody recapping what happened on a tv episode, then saying if they thought it was good.
i think reviews that just line-by-line summarize individual episodes are pretty boring but ones that focus on easily missed subtleties, long-term story arcs or why certain elements work well together can be interesting to read, especially if they include behind-the-scenes information.
This kind of thing is good for shows like gamey thrones because if I had enough spare time to watch episodes more than once and read the books and participate in online discussions of the implications of what Bragdor said to Grognar in episode 69 I would spend it on something worthwhile, like watching more cartoons.
Caesura109 posted:well we've sorta derailed the thread, but if you wanna help me get it back on track do u have any good books about amerikan holocaust denial? or why its still legal in the us but not europe for some reason
also anything about the spread of certain anti-semitic conspiracy theories is interesting too. I've encountered the Rothschild jewish cabal conspiracy in arab nationalist circles as well, and they seem to be prevalent among nation of islam and some affiliated groups.
babyhueypnewton posted:The problem with the idea of jews as bankers isn't that the far right believes it but that the anti-semitic far right is allied with the zionist far right in promoting it.
babyhueypnewton posted:Cars is right that this is all ancient history now in the face of Palestinian oppression. I myself have questioned whether identifying as a jew and leftists is still possible and what that means. But the fake history of jews as rich bankers
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family
The Rothschild family is a wealthy Jewish family descending from Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744–1812), a court factor to the German Landgraves of Hesse-Kassel in the Free City of Frankfurt, Holy Roman Empire, who established his banking business in the 1760s. Unlike most previous court factors, Rothschild managed to bequeath his wealth and established an international banking family through his five sons, who established themselves in London, Paris, Frankfurt, Vienna, and Naples. The family was elevated to noble rank in the Holy Roman Empire and the United Kingdom.
During the 19th century, the Rothschild family possessed the largest private fortune in the world, as well as the largest private fortune in modern world history. The family's wealth was divided among various descendants, and today their interests cover a diverse range of fields, including financial services, real estate, mining, energy, mixed farming, winemaking and nonprofits.
The Rothschild family has frequently been the subject of conspiracy theories, many of which have antisemitic origins.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=jewish+banking+families&fulltext=1&profile=default&searchToken=1p29qx6f40aawamjx5dzst6ws
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warburg_family
The Warburg family is a prominent German and American banking family of German Jewish and originally Venetian Jewish descent, noted for their varied accomplishments in biochemistry, botany, political activism, economics, investment banking, law, physics, classical music, art history, pharmacology, physiology, finance, private equity and philanthropy.
They originated as the Venetian Jewish del Banco family, Anselmo and Abraham Ha Levi Kahana de Palenzuela from Spain, one of the wealthiest Sephardic Venetian families in the early 16th century. Following restrictions imposed on banking and the Jewish community, they moved to Bologna, and thence to Warburg, in Germany, in the 16th century, after which they took their name.
The family re-established itself in Altona, near Hamburg in the 17th century, and it was there that M. M. Warburg & Co. was established in 1798, among the oldest still existing investment banks in the world. Other banks created by members of the family include: M.M.Warburg & Co., Warburg Pincus, S. G. Warburg & Co. (becoming UBS Warburg).
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American and German Warburgs
Felix and Paul Warburg emigrated to the United States. Felix Warburg married Frieda Schiff, daughter of Jacob H. Schiff, a banker who grew up in Frankfurt. Schiff financed parts of the American rail system through his investment bank Kuhn Loeb. Schiff's great great grandson Drew married Al Gore's daughter Karenna. Felix Warburg's house in New York City is now the Jewish Museum, and Kfar Warburg in Israel is named for him. His brother Paul Warburg married Nina Loeb, daughter, of Solomon Loeb; they met at the wedding of Paul's brother Felix to Nina's niece Frieda. Paul Warburg was a planner for the U.S. Federal Reserve System which is a collection of private banks,
notewothy members
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Paul M. Warburg (1868–1932), father of the Federal Reserve, married Nina Loeb (1863–1912) in 1895, the daughter of Solomon Loeb
James Warburg (1897–1969), economist, banker, advisor to Franklin D. Roosevelt, married to Kay Swift (1897–1993)
Relatives
Emil Warburg, (1846–1931), German physicist
Otto Heinrich Warburg (1883–1970), physiologist and biochemist (Nobel prize in Medicine, 1931)
Otto Warburg (1859–1938), botanist and president of the Zionist Organisation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fould_family
The Fould family is a family of French Jewish descent known for success in banking. It was founded by Beer Léon Fould, a wine-dealer's son from Lorraine, who moved to Paris in 1784 to establish a banking business. The name comes from the Hessian city of Fulda.
Family Tree
e:lmao too many notable family connections to list without string and corkboard so I'll cut to the chase from here on
Liliane Fould-Springer (1916–2003), married to Élie de Rothschild (1917–2007), banker and vineyard owner
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bischoffsheim_family
The Bischoffsheim family is a family of German-Belgian Jewish descent known for success in banking. It can be traced back to Raphaël Nathan Bischoffsheim, an army contractor native of Tauberbischofsheim, in the Electorate of Mainz. The family was entangled particularly with the Goldschmidt family of Frankfurt am Main, leading to the conjointly managed Bischoffsheim, Goldschmidt & Cie bank, which they eventually merged into Banque de Crédit et de Dépôt des Pays-Bas in 1863.
Family tree
Clara Bischoffsheim (1833–1899), married to Maurice de Hirsch (1831–1896), banker, founder of the Jewish Colonization Association
Yvonne Cahen d'Anvers (1899–1977), married to Anthony Gustav de Rothschild (1887–1961), banker
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_family
The Stern family is a Jewish French banking family originally from Frankfurt. It traces back to Samuel Hayum Stern (1760–1819), who in the 1780s became a wine merchant in Frankfurt. His son, Jacob Samuel Heyum Stern, started a banking business, named Jacob S.H. Stern (de), in 1805 in Frankfurt. His sons expand the family venture to Berlin, London, and Paris, of which the latter became most prominent as Bank Stern. and J. Stern & Co.
Family Tree
Jerome Stern (1969–), banker in London, founder of J. Stern & Co, married to Sarah von Goldschmidt-Rothschild (daughter of Gilbert de Goldschmidt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppenheim_family
The Oppenheim Family is a German-Jewish banking family, which has been a prominent family in banking and finance in the European markets since at least the 18th century. According to Forbes magazine's Family Dynasties, the Oppenheim Family divides control of their multibillion-dollar fortune among 46 family members.
Salomon Oppenheim, Jr. founded the investment bank Sal. Oppenheim in the 18th century. Until its sale in 2009, Sal. Oppenheim was the largest privately owned investment/banking house in Europe with assets of €138 billion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman%E2%80%93Sachs_family
The Goldman–Sachs family is a family of German Jewish descent known for the leading investment bank Goldman Sachs. Marcus Goldman's youngest daughter, Louisa, married Samuel Sachs, the son of close friends and fellow Lower Franconia, Bavaria immigrants. Louisa's older sister and Sam's older brother had already married. His oldest son, Julius Goldman, married Sarah Adler, daughter of Samuel Adler. In 1882, Goldman invited his son-in-law Samuel to join him in the business and changed the firm's name to M. Goldman and Sachs. For almost fifty years, all the partners came from the extended family.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogy_of_the_Rothschild_family
Mayer Amschel Rothschild was born in 1744 in the ghetto in Frankfurt. At the age of 13, he went to Hanover to serve an apprenticeship with the bank of Simon Wolf Oppenheimer. At the age of 19, he returned to Frankfurt. There he joined his brother Calmann's money-changing business. He became a dealer in rare coins and won the patronage of Wilhelm IX of Hesse, gaining the title of "court factor". Rothschild's coin business expanded through the provision of banking services to Wilhelm IX. His bank became one of the biggest in Frankfurt.
He married Guttle Schnapper in 1770. With her, he had 10 children.
(from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayer_Amschel_Rothschild)
Mayer Amschel Rothschild, written also Anschel (23 February 1744 – 19 September 1812), was a German Jewish banker and the founder of the Rothschild banking dynasty. Referred to as a "founding father of international finance," Rothschild was ranked seventh on the Forbes magazine list of "The Twenty Most Influential Businessmen of All Time" in 2005.
(from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Mayer_Rothschild)
Nathan Mayer Rothschild
Nathan Mayer, Freiherr von Rothschild (16 September 1777 – 28 July 1836) was a German Jewish banker, businessman and financier. He was one of five sons of the second generation of the Rothschild banking dynasty. He was born in Frankfurt am Main, the third child of Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744–1812) and Guttle Schnapper (1753–1849). Once the wealthiest man on earth, he was the richest among the Rothschilds.
(from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Mayer_von_Rothschild)
Carl Mayer von Rothschild
Carl Rothschild has sometimes been seen as the least gifted of the five brothers. However, he proved himself in Naples as a strong financial manager and someone very capable at developing all-important business connections. He established a good working relationship with Luigi de' Medici, the "Direttore della Segreteria di Azienda del Regno di Napoli" (Finance Minister), and his operation became the dominant banking house in Naples. As a result of Carl's success, the Rothschilds had a substantial banking presence in England and three other major European capitals, giving the family considerable influence and an advantage over their competitors.
In 1822, Carl Rothschild and his four brothers were each granted the title of baron, or Freiherr, by His Imperial Majesty Kaiser Franz I of Austria. During the winter of 1826, Leopold of Saxe-Coburg, future King of the Belgians, was a guest of Carl Freiherr von Rothschild at his villa in Naples. In 1829, Carl was appointed consul-general of Sicily at Frankfurt and in January 1832 the Jewish banker was given a ribbon and star of the Sacred Military Constantinian Order of Saint George at a ceremony with the new Roman Catholic Pope, Gregory XVI. Reports that Rothschild was permitted to kiss the Pope's hand, rather than his foot, as was customary at the time, led to controversy in the Catholic world that the Pope was selling Rome out to "a Jew."
(from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Mayer_de_Rothschild)
James Mayer de Rothschild
An advisor to two kings of France, he became the most powerful banker in the country and following the Napoleonic Wars, played a major role in financing the construction of railroads and the mining business that helped make France an industrial power. Along the way, he added to his fortune with investments in such things as the importation of tea and the wine industry. A strong-willed and shrewd businessman, de Rothschild amassed a fortune that made him one of the richest men in the world. Although his papers have never been disclosed, evidence suggests that in today's money, de Rothschild's personal fortune (not including the wealth of his other family members) must have been at least five times the fortune accumulated by Bill Gates.
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In addition to his banking business, in 1868 de Rothschild purchased Château Lafite, one of France's most outstanding vineyards. Located in the Bordeaux region, it is a business that remains in the family to this day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephrussi_family
Ephrussi family
The progenitor, Charles Joachim Ephrussi (1792–1864), from Berdichev, made a fortune controlling grain distribution beginning in the free port of Odessa (then Russian Empire, now Ukraine) and later controlled large-scale oil resources across Crimea and the Caucasus. By 1860 the family was the world’s largest grain exporter.
Charles Joachim's eldest son, Leonid (d. 1877), founded a bank in Odessa, while his brother Ignaz (1829–1899) moved to the Austrian capital, Vienna, where he established the Ephrussi & Co. banking house in 1856. In 1872 he was elevated to the noble rank of Ritter by Habsburg emperor Franz Joseph I. In 1871 Leonid, together with his younger half-brothers Michel (1845–1914) and Maurice Ephrussi (1849–1916), founded a branch in Paris, followed by subsidiaries in London and Athens.
During the 19th century, the family possessed vast wealth, owning many castles, palaces, and estates in Europe. The family were known for their connoisseurship, intellectual interests, and their huge collections of art. Leonid's son Charles Ephrussi (1849–1905), a well-known art historian, collector and editor, became a model for the character of Charles Swann in Marcel Proust's novel In Search of Lost Time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berenberg_family
Berenberg family
The Berenberg family (Dutch for "bear mountain") was a Flemish-origined Hanseatic family of merchants, bankers and senators in Hamburg, with branches in London, Livorno and other European cities. The family was descended from the brothers Hans and Paul Berenberg from Antwerp, who came as Protestant refugees to the city-republic of Hamburg following the Fall of Antwerp in 1585 and who established what is now Berenberg Bank in Hamburg in 1590. The Berenbergs were originally cloth merchants and became involved in merchant banking in the 16th century. Having existed continuously since 1590, Berenberg Bank is the world's oldest surviving merchant bank.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassoon_family
Sassoon family
The Sassoon family, known as "Rothschilds of the East" due to the great wealth they accumulated in trade,is of Baghdadi Jewish descent and international renown. It was based in Baghdad, Iraq, before moving to Bombay, India, and then spreading to China, England, and other countries. It is said that the family descended from the Shoshans, one of the families of Iberian Peninsula. From the 18th century, the Sassoons were one of the wealthiest families in the world, with a merchant empire spanning the continent of Asia.
I'll stop here because I am not paid for this
CG666: nice wikipedia links dork
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Caesura109 posted:I've encountered the Rothschild jewish cabal conspiracy in arab nationalist circles as well, and they seem to be prevalent among nation of islam and some affiliated groups.
babyhueypnewton posted:But the fake history of jews as rich bankers is dangerous
Barbarossa posted:During the 19th century, the Rothschild family possessed the largest private fortune in the world, as well as the largest private fortune in modern world history. The family's wealth was divided among various descendants, and today their interests cover a diverse range of fields, including financial services, real estate, mining, energy, mixed farming, winemaking and nonprofits.
I see your point, but handwaving away any connection between jews and banking as conspiracy theory is ridiculous. And on the same token, generalizing all or most jews as being involved in or profiting from the actions of a few such as the Rothschilds would be as ridiculous as generalizing all or most whites as profiting from the actions of the Morgans or the Rockefellers.
Glad that I can post this before pointing out any connection between jews and finance is considered anti-semitic by law, because jews are clearly in an awful spot in 2018 and they need all the help they can get against these nasty free speech laws and that odious first amendment.
huge victory in the battle of ideas, can't have too much first amendment huh
can't wait for there to be no jews in the ruling class and i can have my surplus labour extracted by gentiles only
tears posted:thats a big post about jewish bankers
for u
cars posted:thread is going places
shapes posted:i'm extremely glad that this thread has stopped talking about Marxist crisis theory and gotten back on track by compiling lists of Jewish bankers, this is exactly the kind of quality content that keeps me tuning into everyone's favorite Marxist-Leninist irony forum to see what happens next
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Barbarossa posted:YouStupidAssholes.jpg
who is the stupid assholes.jpg now??? Ha ha
Chthonic_Goat_666 posted:2 ifap patients in just a few days. not promising
combative overconfident organicist dude out of nowhere was really fun for me, tbh