Caesura109 posted:

i decided to "old man yells at cloud" at chapo for being silent on syria and well everything

they actually replied and basically agreed that they dont cover anything meaningful

One of the shows i listened to was pretty good about israel. From it id expect them to say something about Syria

biederman is the only one who really cares about foreign policy (and is also the literally-gooniest, undoubtedly was a regular LF reader back in the day) and it's funny how the last few months most of the rest of them seem to be growing increasing irritated and hostile towards him

thirdplace posted:

lotta people here pretend to, or sometimes actually do, hate chappo and its general sphere. part of that is that it is definitely is milquetoast but i think a lot of it is just resentment that it aped a style of comedy that at one point you could only find in a tiny handful of obscure corners of the internet (with this place probably being foremost among them) and became pretty successful doing so

it is really unfunny and seems to be mostly just liberal and bad, or is "the joke" that they're actually not the piece of shit up their own asses people they are portraying

Caesura109 posted:

anyways im listening to the show and its mostly socdem anti-war stuff, mocking liberal interventionists and their hilarious charade of egging on trump while pretending to hate him, because they know the imperialist machine isnt really controlled by him or congress

It seems like a ridiculous thinh to say but that part of the newest episode seems to be a direct response to my tweet. They not only were against the strikes but specifically mentioned israel gunning down protesters and even encouraged attending antiwar protests. Which is good. I mean theyre still not a shining beacon of mlism but whats even the point of a "left wing" platform if it's not anti war and anti apartheid. So, im glad they got around to it

thirdplace posted:

lotta people here pretend to, or sometimes actually do, hate chappo and its general sphere. part of that is that it is definitely is milquetoast but i think a lot of it is just resentment that it aped a style of comedy that at one point you could only find in a tiny handful of obscure corners of the internet (with this place probably being foremost among them) and became pretty successful doing so

i think any "resentment" is probably because most of those people would prefer to see others propagate left politics rather than seeing the format of their Internet jokes put in service to a new brand of beigeism

thirdplace posted:

the pundit dunking is definitely irrelevant and a valid criticism, but i think the beigeness accusation is overstated. they praise the soviet union, reference settler theory, make no compromise with israel, constantly criticize liberals from the left both in terms of politics and in terms of overwrought culture wars discourse, call for nationalizations, and routinely highlight the role of the petit bourgeoisie in many of america's crimes in pretty much those exact terms. they think electing sanders or a sanders-like figure would be worthwhile, which is easy to sneer at, but it's not like a medicare for all program wouldn't make a meaningful difference in the lives of people of the oppressed nations and at any rate i don't think anything electoral is seen by them as a panacea

also frost definitely has done plenty of on-the-ground organizing and matt knows his marx better than most (if almost certainly not all) posters here. if it's just not funny to you, gustibus non disputandum, but it makes for an often pleasant and sometimes informative commute for me, and i wish i had checked it out earlier instead of absorbing an attitude from here that they were worthless posers (which at least is better and more far accurate than the dominant twitter criticism, that they're all a bunch of strasserites)

I agree that it’s amusing to listen to during busy work or commutes and stuff. But Frost has repeatedly called anyone criticizing the dumbass M4A campaign wreckers and used a lot of ableism in public tirades. It’s not clear any of them organize anything at this point and they’re definitely adjacent to the “tumblr idpol gave us Nazis shit” from the DeBoer Nagle crowd. They definitely plug the Bruenigs a lot, who is absolutely a Strasserist, I don’t give a shit (“Donald Trumps base is actually women and black people”) They had a rather mealy mouthed defense of abortion (“idk if I’d do it but people should have unfettered access to it) in a recent episode, and the jokes about MOVE were disgusting. Again, fine as entertainment I suppose, but they still have an outsized platform among a certain sect of the left. Above all they are millionaires who I have never seen put any of that capital toward the DSA or left causes.

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rolaids posted:
I really think this whole Brooklyn crowd is just flabbergasted at how quickly their fans have turned on them and I’m not sure they understand the extent yet.


i would like to know more

Tbh I just use “Brooklyn” for a catch a to describe Jacobin staff/Jacobin adjacent people/prominent soc dem members, even if some are actually based in east bay. It’s mostly just what cars said, where these people floated a Sanders 2020 support campaign recently and got tons of push back, but wrote it off as “internet tankie harrassment”, while in reality it was all of the most active and developed members

thirdplace posted:

they think electing sanders or a sanders-like figure would be worthwhile, which is easy to sneer at

you can bury this lede if you want but this is the exact reason why the rude leftists you're talking about think they suck

all the other stuff you mention + this = the very definition of recuperation. "The Soviet Union is good, death to Israel, defend Syria against imperialism, now donate to this Democrat"