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"China is capitalist but there is great revolutionary potential among the settlers of the U$$A" - a communist, 2018
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Yemen has a long history of communism and your history of the "export" of Marxism-Leninism is racist nonsense, Marxism emerged out of the real conditions of imperialist exploitation and is far more advanced in the third world politically and theoretically. You seem to be confused as well about the class character of Islamic fundamentalism and liberalism (nationalism isn't an ideology which replaces Marxism-Leninism but a concept subject to class struggle within its terms). I hate to keep responding because we don't get fresh blood very often but all your posts recently have been ultraleftist and anti-communist, now veering into racism (the natural result of conflating petty-bourgeois situationist poetry with Marxism).
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That's just IR "realism." The actual history of third world decolonization and nationalistic socialism/Marxism-Leninism is unrelated to anything you said.

I think no one actually read the Dauve piece you posted because it is vile. Not really interested in debate after that, sorry.
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Dauve is a weird one because he's apart of (or instigator of) the libertarian socialist / councillist dalliance with Bordiga. which should be nonsensical because the uncompromising support of vanguardism and critique of councilism and workers self-management is one of the most defining features of the Bordigist current. whatever else there is you have to say about him, bordiga really adored lenin.
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Caesura109 posted:

I don't really know Dauve, is he some kind of rapist or something? This is a really bizarre reaction. Anyways if you aren't interested in even bothered to address anything i say beyond making assertions not relevant to what I was talking about and you aren't interested in making your case then maybe don't respond.



http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/gilles-dauve-alice-in-monsterland

Actually yes, but his slander of Lenin bothers me much more

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Caesura109 posted:

"Great revolutionary potential", exactly what I was saying

France's situation is nothing like America today, Trump isnt Napoleon III, the cosmopolitan culture of the US is soulless diseased technocratism and consumerism and the idea of a real "rural" America comparable to anything from the 19th century is nonsense, but I dont really see how its more likely than the police-state worshipping masses, conservative Islamists and liberal secularist majorities of the third world will somehow spark the international revolution. And there is no "revolution from above" by the Chinese coming to save us. There are colonialist European nations with more self-avowed Marxists than say Yemen, one of the most impoverished places on the planet. It was Europeans who exported the ideology of Marxism-Leninism to the third world to start with, and since the fall of the USSR its only been receding with islamism, nationalism and liberalism taking its place across the Middle East and Africa.


i think its very strange to use the phrase 'police-state worshipping masses'. like who are you talking about? which country has masses that think police states are cool?

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Because ultraleftists are morally and ideologically bankrupt. For the same reason Ocalan went from Stalinist villain to anarchist hero in a day, when you have no ideology or movement or history of your own and only exist as a parasite on the communist movement, often in alliance with imperialism and therefore anti-communism, racism, and ask sorts of bigotry, you'll take any support and ignore anything inconvenient if it fits into anti-Stalinism. Dauve was merely stupid enough to embrace pedophilia, most ultraleftists now know to disguise their bigotry behind a critique of socialism. It should be damning that someone could criticize the contradictions over gender/race/sexuality under socialism while defending an actual pedophile but such positions are not arrived at through reason or honesty in the first place. There's nothing to be gained through debate with ultraleftists, they should be plucked like the leeches they are, a minor annoyance at most.

If you're looking for answers on the ultraleft, I suggest you look elsewhere. But what's disturbing is what that search says about your ideology in the first place, my communism has gone through minor changes over the 10 or so years I've posted here and lf but I never considered that the answers were with some random academics over the Marxist-Leninist movement that covered most of the human population within living memory.
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gilles dauve...gilles de rais
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Caesura109 posted:

Simmer down dude, I know you are a dyed-in-the-wool MList,


alright new guy listen up, huey can be a bit fiery but you need to understand youve come into an established community almost entirely composed of MLs and MLMs, when you quote random shit from libcom that disses lenin and turns out to be written by a pedo apologist you have to expect some pushback. take it as an opportunity to reflect on your posting

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Caesura109 posted:

The sort of American troop worship and police worship is rather common in places like Egypt, where large segments of society practically worship the military, its positively fascistic. In Turkey its much the same too, the public support for the police and troops is rather scary, and strange considering how in both cases those institutions collaborate with imperialists and neo-colonialists, doing their dirty work, taking their money.


but which segments of society are these? how large are they? are they 'the masses', or are they more likely to be a middle or upper class friendly to western interests? you dont really seem to be looking at things in an objective verifiable manner here, you're throwing out big ol statements that dont really mean anything on closer examination. i dont really understand the quoting people you dont seem to have read thing either.

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Caesura109 posted:

taking issue with the idea that someone would entertain ideas outside of ML just because you dont see the value in doing so is ridiculous.


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I'm inmagining a thread just for posting funny pics,... and boy, your better believe I'm lolling.
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babyhueypnewton posted:

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/gilles-dauve-alice-in-monsterland



LMAO every fucking time!!

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Trot/ultraleft guy: I'm a communist. BUT I agree with your high school teacher that Soviet Union was bad. Its very bad!!
*handful of people start to gather round*
Trot/ultraleft guy: Good, now that I have your attention: There Is A Child Sexuality, And Even Mutual Seduction Between Child and Adult,
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tale as old as time, song as old as rhyme, trots are fucking creeps
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Petrol posted:

imagining what it would be like to be about 20 in this dystopian age of ubiquitous forced public performance of identity via social media and realising that attempts to control or shape reality by regulating language along ideological lines are not really the greatest fodder for humour, but lolling anyway because the world is a vampire


i'm 24 but i still feel too old for it, i think coming from forumsposting is a protective factor versus starting on social media

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i used to go to a very small LAC of about 75 people and all the classes were socratic-style, no lectures. going to class and listening to people talk was miserable and trying to fit into the social scene was very hard. i dropped out. this was a couple years ago and it made me appreciate how long five years is in terms of age and the difference it makes.
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i used to go to a very large LAC of about 12,541,302 people and shout "Aksai Chin is an indisputable part of Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region". i dropped out. it made me appreciate how long five years is and the difference it makes
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bad thread
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tears posted:

bad thread


i think i made it worse, gomen

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violently loling
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Threads don't just turn good... you have to fight for them. Every thread is a door to knowledge!
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babyhueypnewton posted:

Yemen has a long history of communism



yeah and like... after the Riyadh/Washington-backed GPC invaded the formerly socialist south, destroyed the "reformed" Yemeni Socialist Party's infrastructure and massacred its leaders all of twenty years ago, it's like gee, i wonder why some Communists there might want to fly under the radar. heck joining ISIS is less likely to draw fire from the Saudis.

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Dimashq posted:

violently loling


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Caesura109, i don't know you, and you don't know me. but i'd like to pop in here a sec and level with you. everything you've posted in this thread is nonsense. what you said is stupid, and clearly has no relation to reality, and everyone who's read it has become physically tired from the strain. thank you, and stop posting
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Caesura109 you have to keep posting. dont stop to think. dont let anything stand in your way. post for freedom and liberty and against statism and totalitarianism. we believe in you.

e: this post sucks and is kneejerk trolling, sorry for writing it

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go back and make revolution against the House of Saud caesura. with input from non-MLs of course
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A poster's correct posts stem from his correct decisions, his correct decisions stem from his correct judgments, and his correct judgments stem from a thorough and necessary reconnaissance and from pondering on and piecing together the data of various kinds gathered through reconnaissance. He applies all possible and necessary methods of reconnaissance, and ponders on the information gathered about his posting rival's situation, discarding the dross and selecting the essential, eliminating the false and retaining the true, proceeding from the one to the other and from the outside to the inside; then, he takes the conditions on his own side into account, and makes a study of both sides and their interrelations, thereby forming his judgments, making up his mind and working out his posts. Such is the complete process of knowing a situation that a poster goes through before he formulates a post, a troll or a meme.
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Horselord posted:

Caesura109, i don't know you, and you don't know me. but i'd like to pop in here a sec and level with you. everything you've posted in this thread is nonsense. what you said is stupid, and clearly has no relation to reality, and everyone who's read it has become physically tired from the strain. thank you, and stop posting



Where do correct ideas come from? Do they drop from the skies? No. Are they innate in the mind? No. For instance Horse Lad introduced himself to this forum through wacko posts about circumcision, but people just scored points off him until he chilled out. It is therefore necessary to educate our posting comrades in the dialectical materialist theory of knowledge, so that they can orientate their posting correctly, become good at investigation and study and at summing up experience, overcome difficulties, commit fewer mistakes, do their work better, and struggle hard