le_nelson_mandela_face posted:i should clarify that i was thinking on this subject not because i hate depressed people or whatever but because i keep reading leftist arguments that we shouldn't regulate guns because we need them for the revolution and imagining an american left-revolutionary org fragging an officer because someone discovered that he called kevin smith gay in 2004
I Like How people still say this in light of the facts that right-wing gun culture is pretty much openly organized for counter-revolution and that the few parts of US history where militant leftism posed any real threat to the state or capitalism invariably included blatant abridgment of said left's constitutional rights
Parenti posted:I don't think there will ever be a revolution and I more and more think capital has just won and that's that.
well ur lame
Parenti posted:I don't think there will ever be a revolution and I more and more think capital has just won and that's that.
boo this man
Parenti posted:I more and more think capital has just won and that's that.
the rapid socioeconomic decay of the US coupled with the ascent of the PRC suggests the opposite
kornfan posted:*in radlib Jacobin guy voice* they’re Asian so it doesn’t count
No, I think they're possibly good. I vacillate on China a lot, I know they do a lot of good things, but then I read about all the labor disputes over non-payment, bad safety conditions etc. and hate the Communist Party and consider it to be sheepdogging the hundreds of millions of genuine Marxists in the country. I'm not someone who thinks that if the Chinese Communist Party disappeared there'd be a "nice and friendly" liberal democracy: I think there would be a big Maoist revival, and I think it would be better than it is now. I'm basically worried about anti democratic counter revolution in China like there was in the Soviet Union. I've been talking with a lot of old communists lately and they didn't see it coming in the Soviet Union, so I worry any optimism about China might be triumphalism. I'm becoming very declinist.
Parenti posted:kornfan posted:*in radlib Jacobin guy voice* they’re Asian so it doesn’t count
No, I think they're possibly good. I vacillate on China a lot, I know they do a lot of good things, but then I read about all the labor disputes over non-payment, bad safety conditions etc. and hate the Communist Party and consider it to be sheepdogging the hundreds of millions of genuine Marxists in the country. I'm not someone who thinks that if the Chinese Communist Party disappeared there'd be a "nice and friendly" liberal democracy: I think there would be a big Maoist revival, and I think it would be better than it is now. I'm basically worried about anti democratic counter revolution in China like there was in the Soviet Union. I've been talking with a lot of old communists lately and they didn't see it coming in the Soviet Union, so I worry any optimism about China might be triumphalism. I'm becoming very declinist.
This might be me slipping into pessimism and going ultra, diagnose me Doc.
like a reverse labour aristocracy
Horselord posted:i don't think that there could be a counterrevolution in the PRC any time soon because the class who's interest that is already have enough of the shit they want that they don't bother
like a reverse labour aristocracy
i've had this thought too -- that if we accept that the PRC remains a dictatorship of the proletariat (holding aside discussions of revisionism for a moment), then it basically stands as an inverted social democracy.
social democracy makes concessions to workers to curtail the possibility of revolution. the mechanism that permits this is imperialism, allowing it to displace internal contradictions out into the external market, drawing superprofits from the exploited countries of the world.
the reverse case makes concessions to the bourgeoisie to stave off counterrevolution, drawing the external contradictions of the world market inward, consciously accepting value losses via superprofit extraction. (the causality here seems flipped, too, since the aforementioned concessions are part of the means by which it participates in the world market, rather than vice versa in the SD case.) simultaneously, this participation in world markets allows the state to close the technology gap and slow (but, of course, never halt) the rise of imperial aggression
Parenti posted:I vacillate on China a lot, I know they do a lot of good things, but then I read about all the labor disputes over non-payment, bad safety conditions etc. and hate the Communist Party and consider it to be sheepdogging the hundreds of millions of genuine Marxists in the country.
I don't really understand this position. How do you manage the leap from "I know China does a lot of good" to "there are some labor disputes so I hate the CPC"
Constantignoble posted:...inverted social democracy....
...via superprofit extraction....
WHERE is china extracting its superprofits from
in fact i specifically began the post with "if we accept..." in the hopes that if we were gonna have the True Nature of China discussion it wouldn't lead off with being accused of either "contortion," orientalism, etc
but live and learn I guess
Themselves posted:*bat signal appears in the sky*
i know it looks a bit weird but its meant to be a crow
swampman posted:Let's make this the thread to drag out all of our terrible anti-communist delusions, into this thread. For example. Modern drag is blackface just like furry culture.
Synergy posted:it's hard for me to imagine a violent revolution unless poverty were to skyrocket in a very short period of time. like maybe during an energy crisis? in that event i think the culture shift would be radical enough that you wouldn't be seeing too much liberal nonsense floating around. otherwise, with slow degradation, it would definitely be a non-violent revolution through green-party elections or a bernie sanders style mild reform in which case yeah you'd probably have liberals rallying with cops and juggalos
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Parenti posted:I don't think there will ever be a revolution and I more and more think capital has just won and that's that.
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Parenti posted:I DON'T THINK THERE WILL EVER BE A REVOLUTION AND I MORE AND MORE THINK CAPITAL HAS JUST WON AND THAT'S THAT.
Says the one person holding communism back from an easy win