littlegreenpills posted:

nobody actually believes that they just dont have the words to phrase its opposite. everyone knows they work long hours for shit pay. nobody likes their job and everyone wants their boss dead. even if they don't know it yet. and the campaign against buttmad is a CIA financed operation to neuter the kaleidoscopic vitality of the english language

To give just one example, the "Lean in" campaign is literally and exactly the kind of self consciously pro-capitalist identity politics you're saying doesn't exist. The problem is not capitalism, but how to ensure that individuals of means and ambition have equal opportunity to lord over their lessers, regardless of gender (or race, or creed).

Andrew Sullivan promotes a similar line in the gay rights movement, spearheading the long and very overt campaign to wrest gay activism away from the radical left and refocus it on integration within the existing political system.

The above doesn't describe all people involved in identity focused activism and discourse, of course. However, I'd argue that even for the many identity activists who acknowledge class issues, the additional focus on identity issues induces activism to shift away from revolutionary goals, which are extremely difficult to achieve, and towards the much more achievable goals of changing and policing identity related language and winning equal treatment under capitalism for marginalized peoples. I'm not suggesting those aren't worthy goals, but they are much less threatening to the state and the economic order than old school anti-capitalism.

Aspie_Muslim_Economist_ posted:

littlegreenpills posted:

nobody actually believes that they just dont have the words to phrase its opposite. everyone knows they work long hours for shit pay. nobody likes their job and everyone wants their boss dead. even if they don't know it yet. and the campaign against buttmad is a CIA financed operation to neuter the kaleidoscopic vitality of the english language


To give just one example, the "Lean in" campaign is literally and exactly the kind of self consciously pro-capitalist identity politics you're saying doesn't exist. The problem is not capitalism, but how to ensure that individuals of means and ambition have equal opportunity to lord over their lessers, regardless of gender (or race, or creed).

Andrew Sullivan promotes a similar line in the gay rights movement, spearheading the long and very overt campaign to wrest gay activism away from the radical left and refocus it on integration within the existing political system.

The above doesn't describe all people involved in identity focused activism and discourse, of course. However, I'd argue that even for the many identity activists who acknowledge class issues, the additional focus on identity issues induces activism to shift away from revolutionary goals, which are extremely difficult to achieve, and towards the much more achievable goals of changing and policing identity related language and winning equal treatment under capitalism for marginalized peoples. I'm not suggesting those aren't worthy goals, but they are much less threatening to the state and the economic order than old school anti-capitalism.

Class is an identity too.

chickeon posted:

stability ops... is that what goatstein is doing?

op! op! op op! oppa stable style

laika posted:

Petrol posted:
let's not get too full of ourselves here. if jeffrey is as crazy as he seems to be, he will find no more personal meaning in a rhizzone thread about gangstalking than he would in, say, taylor swift lyrics, or the ingredient listing for a mcrib.



1) this isn't just about jeffery and 2) that's not necessarily true at all.

i still have fleeting thoughts that my life is kind of like The Truman Show and/or that people over the internet are stalking me but i now know that they're not real and i don't act as if they are. all the medications and therapy in the world won't make those things completely go away. it's not my fault that i have those thoughts and there's nothing inherently wrong with it either, that's just the way my brain works. the idea that that somehow makes me inherently less intelligent, more dangerous, irrational. untrustworthy, and/or unattractive are social and cultural preconceptions and attitudes that are not natural and inevitable and can and should be changed.

when i see people looking to reinforce those attitudes, that does in fact have a very real effect and it is perfectly sensible and appropriate for me to say something

I did not expect to find thoughtful and polite discussion of mental illness in this thread.

I hope Laika is ok. Laika come home.