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le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

herbsaint posted:

I thought this was good
https://theoutline.com/post/2421/when-men-fear-women

it's cool to use the internet to make insanely employed media psychopaths feel fear for the first time in their lives. mob rule.....rules

i dont know why this article references Chapo when the worst thing any of them are accused of is "being friends with guys who tell gross jokes"



No one in media actually has any morals, they just want excuses to get paid for writing stuff about people they dont like

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*completes an acidic blog post about how project runway allstars is actually not woke* Ahh, living the dream.
#43
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just a heads up that an opportunity Does exist to purchase shittymediamen period com
#44
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can someone link me to this list
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drwhat posted:

why is it that so many of these guys do the same "try to masturbate in front of them" thing. i find it hard to believe that ever resulted in anything positive for them once


having had this happen to me quite a few times, the main response these creeps want is to keep the woman in their fucked up sexual concepts of where women should be under their concept of sexuality under the patriarchy. the woman complains shes gets accused of being uptight, prudish, frigid etc for merely not wanting to fuck this creep and then shes subjected to her own paranoia over being a creep and is then on this existential trip of "do i fuck him? am i an uptight frigid? have i led him on? do i want to have sex with him?" etc etc etc until he rapes her or she manages to convince herself to vanish asap from this creep although if she stays the days and weeks and months even years later shes still there having another existential trip of "was that consensual? was that rape? did i actually enjoy having sex with him? why do i feel so used by this experience? what did he expect with his dick out like that? he must have been led on by me? etc etc etc expect this existential crisis never fucking ends

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I think if a dude shows you his dick unsolicited it is okay to remove the dick from his body and not let him have it back
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*yanks collar* Tough room.
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I guess this is the "sam kriss" thread now https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355

e: i should probably say the article contains a level of detail about a man "playfully" trying to force himself on a woman that will probably make you throw up in your mouth a bit

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anyone can disagree but, he probably thought he was hot shit, around all those other male comedians, newly famous and ready to get his, not understanding basic human social cues. not uncommon, not an international story. not a monster with a mafia like Weinstein.
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the sam kriss thread is closed, forever
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animedad posted:

anyone can disagree but, he probably thought he was hot shit, around all those other male comedians, newly famous and ready to get his, not understanding basic human social cues. not uncommon, not an international story. not a monster with a mafia like Weinstein.


"not weinstein" is a pretty fucking low bar mate. he definitely thought this young woman of lower social status was there to be his fucktoy, after being dazzled with a meal she couldn't normally afford and being whisked to his manhattan celebrity digs. i mean its not cool to just be shoving your fingers down someone's throat on a first date when consent is ambiguous anyway, but there's a point in the story where any doubt about whether he was just confused and pushy melts away, and he just barrels on forcing himself on her psychologically and physically, but probably believes to this day he's a Good Guy because he stopped short of raping her, and sadly a bunch of people desperate for another series of Master of None seem to be taking his side

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ill go one further and say it's nopt cool to stick your fingers down someone's throat ever, unless they swallowed their tongue or something
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Yeah assuming they meant that literally its fucking weird and not cool
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Petrol posted:

animedad posted:

anyone can disagree but, he probably thought he was hot shit, around all those other male comedians, newly famous and ready to get his, not understanding basic human social cues. not uncommon, not an international story. not a monster with a mafia like Weinstein.

"not weinstein" is a pretty fucking low bar mate. he definitely thought this young woman of lower social status was there to be his fucktoy, after being dazzled with a meal she couldn't normally afford and being whisked to his manhattan celebrity digs. i mean its not cool to just be shoving your fingers down someone's throat on a first date when consent is ambiguous anyway, but there's a point in the story where any doubt about whether he was just confused and pushy melts away, and he just barrels on forcing himself on her psychologically and physically, but probably believes to this day he's a Good Guy because he stopped short of raping her, and sadly a bunch of people desperate for another series of Master of None seem to be taking his side


I disagree, it sounded like she was not asserting herself with words. I mean she already had a bunch of ideas in her mind about what men do, since right after the date she texted "I hate men". She had it in her mind to victimize herself, like white women have done historically

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It's cool that he probably could have (1) banged a chick (2) not had to awkwardly apologize in texts the next day (3) still had a career if he had just like... treated this woman like a human being and not just an object that you stick your digits in and say porn lines to
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animedad posted:

I disagree, it sounded like she was not asserting herself with words.


She asserted herself. It wasn't just nonverbal cues, although frankly that should have been sufficient - she went so far as to say, when she got back from the bathroom and he asked if she was okay, “I don’t want to feel forced because then I’ll hate you, and I’d rather not hate you.” That's an unequivocal message to stop delivered in the nicest way possible. This is how a lot of people act in situations where they're trying to extricate themselves from sexual advances without being too confronting and making someone angry. I hope you're starting to understand why your take on this is fucked

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It's cool that he probably could have (1) banged a chick (2) not had to awkwardly apologize in texts the next day (3) still had a career if he had just like... treated this woman like a human being and not just an object that you stick your digits in and say porn lines to


moresault you've been doing these moral high ground posts for a while. Kinda boring eh?

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Petrol posted:

animedad posted:

I disagree, it sounded like she was not asserting herself with words.

She asserted herself. It wasn't just nonverbal cues, although frankly that should have been sufficient - she went so far as to say, when she got back from the bathroom and he asked if she was okay, “I don’t want to feel forced because then I’ll hate you, and I’d rather not hate you.” That's an unequivocal message to stop delivered in the nicest way possible. This is how a lot of people act in situations where they're trying to extricate themselves from sexual advances without being too confronting and making someone angry. I hope you're starting to understand why your take on this is fucked


its not fucked

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the double-digit V hook is a tried and true method for eye estimation of girth capacity and I'd probably be dead today without it
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I'm not saying what he did was not wrong, I'm just saying the way this woman went about this "reveal" was egregious and in this country (US) racist. He seems like a dork, and inappropriate, but the story made her seem like an idiot
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It wasn't racist lol, and it was actually a good thing to come out with to serve as yet another example of the wrong way for men to behave. It wasn't the worst thing anyone's ever done, but the commonality of his behavior and mindset as described is exactly the problem. It's so pervasive, lots of people, some of my friends included are saying he did nothing wrong. As much as "having a conversation" is a buzzword, this is one instance where a large scale, high profile conversation like this can do real good. The outing of Weinstein isn't going to stop extremely powerful men from being sexual predators, but making a public example out of Ansari can possibly encourage some young men to take a closer look at their sexual behavior and prevent them from hurting women.
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animedad posted:

I'm not saying what he did was not wrong, I'm just saying the way this woman went about this "reveal" was egregious and in this country (US) racist. He seems like a dork, and inappropriate, but the story made her seem like an idiot


Frankly I find this reaction pretty disturbing. She was not consenting to most of what happened and he either knew and didn't care, or didn't even bother to think about it. Either way it's sexual assault in my book and unacceptable behaviour from anyone. I don't know what the fuck race has to do with the victim choosing to talk about it in the way she did.

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imo Aziz Ansari is the Emmett Till of our generation and anyone who doesn't celebrate his behavior is no better than a lynch mob member--and not the cool Guerillas in the Mist ones
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animedad posted:

Meursault posted:

It's cool that he probably could have (1) banged a chick (2) not had to awkwardly apologize in texts the next day (3) still had a career if he had just like... treated this woman like a human being and not just an object that you stick your digits in and say porn lines to

moresault you've been doing these moral high ground posts for a while. Kinda boring eh?



Sorry I just got banned from another forum for basically being "too chill" in the face of a trans woman who was threatening everyone with murder, so I apologize if I'm too woke now

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animedad posted:

I disagree, it sounded like she was not asserting herself with words.



i feel bad for whoever has had to deal with your obliviousness regarding what consent means and how it works and feel like we'll find out in a decade that youre the next sam kriss

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At least Sam Kriss' very lenient date had the good sense not to go to babe dot net afterward
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i disagree and commonly encourage friends who have dates with someone who pulls sexual assault to publicly spread the word as far as possible or allow me to warn people in their community because these people are predators who rely on their victim not knowing they are there. abusers need reeducation and for that they need revolutionary terror. part of me is surprised this is an uncommon position here and part of me is not
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You disagree that Sam Kriss's date actually did go to babe dot net?
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if your a woman and you go on a date and get assaulted and dont say the right words to make it stop and then tell people about it after your an idiot. also if the guy who did it is brown and you tell people what he did your racist - forums poster anime dad
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Meursault posted:

It's cool that he probably could have (3) still had a career


He still has (3) standup specials on netflix and louis ck has (5) haha

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JohnBeige posted:

abusers need reeducation and for that they need revolutionary terror.


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"Women are ... very, very dangerous" - Caitlin Flanagan
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Petrol posted:

if your a woman and you go on a date and get assaulted and dont say the right words to make it stop and then tell people about it after your an idiot. also if the guy who did it is brown and you tell people what he did your racist - forums poster anime dad


and youre a prick. I was disagreeing with you, a disagreement doesn't entitle you to do this.

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no dude obviously you're a secret rapist because you aren't in complete agreement on this
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animedad sucks because he didn't immediately take an article at face value, and questions the motive of this scandal, and brings race into it because, in America where you don't live presumably, racism is also interpersonal, a way that people handle certain things when they feel slighted. Black men were lynched for catcalling white women and they felt "uncomfortable". how is it wrong to bring that discussion in? I don't know these people or what they are into so I can hardly judge what happened. am I condoning Aziz? No. it is not up to a reader to "believe" in a story. believe nothing. the media system of justice that this metoo campaign presents, and the "victims" it asks us to sympathize with is disturbing to me.
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no i think the argument is that you suck (not you, really, but men in general of which is a group some of us are assuming you belong to since the first thing you had to say was an attack against a victim, not the abuser) cuz you seem to have no idea what enthusiastic consent is or that you should ask before you do anything (especially, you know, battery) and if you dont its entirely your fault, NOT the fault of the victim and survivor of your attack, and that youre enacting violent gender roles regardless of your intent if you dont.

Meursault posted:

You disagree that Sam Kriss's date actually did go to babe dot net?



i dont know what youre referring to, it just sounded like someone making fun of a victim. if i interpreted your post incorrectly i genuinely apologize. i think the rest of my post stands though

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I know that perfectly well, it's like Women and Gender studies 101. I personally know victims that won't ever get justice. I know what rape culture is but the bounds of it are going to end up more dangerous to more vulnerable people, because it's bourgeois feminism. bourgeois (or white, w/e) feminism is dangerous for people I know. It makes things worse. It conditions society.
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Aziz Ansari is not a vulnerable person. It does not matter if left movements (let alone liberal celebrities) experience sexism callouts at a disproportionate rate because these events strengthen the movement while the bourgeois/fascist culture is unable to foster trust internally. If abusive celebrities of color are torn down faster than abusive white celebrities that strengthens movements of color. The people who take the Ansari callout as "white women running amok" need to be concerned with why Ansari was ever taken as a representative of left tendencies in the media. Maybe stop choosing figureheads from the meager pool of compromised tokens selected for fame by bourgeois/white feminism in the first place?

I could only watch part of the first season of his show because it's a celebration of consumption.
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Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think this situation has much potential to further the "non-white rapist" trope. All of the discussion around it has been either around what Ansari did wrong or the woman's actions. Nobody is talking about this being something Indian men or men of color in general do. The direction this is conditioning society is towards denormalizing this very common type of sexual misconduct, and probably towards normalizing better communication in sexual situations.