tears posted:

rat lines arnt conspiracy though, they're just history like iran-contra or how bush did 9-11

an acquaintance of mine met someone at their engineering job who referred to iran-contra as a conspiracy theory and refused to talk about it

xipe posted:

Profiles on some of MI6 coin people in Northern Ireland and beyond

https://thebrokenelbow.com/2017/10/02/why-did-john-le-carre-never-send-george-smiley-to-belfast/amp/

Ps did you guys ever hear of British major Frank Kitson?

He was one of the main practitioners of COIN

This is his book on subduing maumau rebellions in Kenya

https://www.scribd.com/doc/60249082/Major-Frank-Kitson-Gangs-and-Counter-Gangs

Its quite remarkable how open they are about creating 'pseudo gangs' ie fake revolutionary/Terrorist gangs to disrupt the anti colonial struggle.

This methodology made its way down to Zimbabwe ("Rhodesia") where the Selous Scouts coveted 'tamed terrs' - captured national liberation fighters flipped to fight for the apartheid state.
http://selousscouts.tripod.com/home_page.htm

Kitson himself went to Northern Ireland after Kenya, where he set up a bunch of death squad networks not to mention taking charge of the Paras who killed a bunch of people on Bloody Sunday
https://ansionnachfionn.com/2016/12/19/britains-acronyms-of-terror-general-frank-kitson-and-the-mrf-sru-and-fru/

The chief of the main military intelligence death squad he set up, Gordon Kerr, increased the Loyalist murder rate by 300% and infiltrated the IRAs internal security... Kerr was sent to Iraq post 2003 where for example some of his British boys were found by Iraqi police wearing Arabic clothes in a car full of explosives.
When they were arrested the Brits busted the wall of the jail open with a tank to get them out
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/99961

Anyway, 'Gangs and Counter Gangs' seems unusually candid for a non secret publication... Or am I imaging?

lo posted:

have any of you guys ever read anything about nazis and satanist groups. theres some interesting connections that ive come across but i dont know if anyones written anything detailed on them

yeah the Black Sun book is good. but afaik most of the links between the two are from later groups adopting the symbolism of both for shock value. the secret societies of the Third Reich were more into cut-rate neo-paganism including a tiny group of weirdos who thought Aryan religion should draw from traditions of the ruling classes of India, which they badly misinterpreted

Petrol posted:

oh you meant OG nazis not just yank spooks

i was thinking more contemporary neonazis actually, ive never found all the thule society or secret ss occult castle crap to be very interesting

mediumpig posted:

Sorry to go off the current topic but where do l even start to understand the JFK assassination. Does anyone here have an informed position on like what the story is.

I'll give a quick rundown, the CIA, FBI and mafia were all feeling threatened by the pressure Jack and Robert were putting on them. So they re-adapted Northwoods to frame radicals for the assassination in hopes of sparking another red scare and invasion of Cuba. Who exactly was involved in the field we'll likely never know unless we start waterboarding retired spooks. (note water boarding doesn't work but it is ironic in this case). I'm no friend of the Kennedys but I find the assassination to be a important land mark in amerikkkan history, as the United States shifted from a fascistic liberal republic to a dual power police state. I'm working a effort post on the subject, expect it sometime mid December.

Populares posted:

I'll give a quick rundown, the CIA, FBI and mafia were all feeling threatened by the pressure Jack and Robert were putting on them. So they re-adapted Northwoods to frame radicals for the assassination in hopes of sparking another red scare and invasion of Cuba. Who exactly was involved in the field we'll likely never know unless we start waterboarding retired spooks. (note water boarding doesn't work but it is ironic in this case). I'm no friend of the Kennedys but I find the assassination to be a important land mark in amerikkkan history, as the United States shifted from a fascistic liberal republic to a dual power police state. I'm working a effort post on the subject, expect it sometime mid December.

this--don delillo described the kennedy assassination as "seven seconds that broke the back of the american century" (also, libra's a fucking great novel)

also, david talbot's the devil's chessboard is a great book on allen dulles and this time period

xipe posted:

Background to Catholic conspiracies

(Sorry for g*ardian link)

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/oct/27/the-war-against-pope-francis

xipe posted:

Background to Catholic conspiracies

(Sorry for g*ardian link)

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/oct/27/the-war-against-pope-francis

This pope is either a villain or a fool. He put George Pell in charge of the church's finances, reporting directly to him. Pell is not only an arch-conservative but one of the most notorious protectors of Catholic paedophiles in recent history, and the allegations and evidence against him personally are such that he's actually standing trial now for abusing a number of boys over a period of decades. Who would knowingly make such a man one of the most powerful members of the church hierarchy?