#14721

cars posted:

like putting unread michael crichton novels on your coffee table to appear intellectual


i just tell them its an ironic thing

#14722
Crichton,,,,,

Puig

literary stars of the rhizzone
#14723

cars posted:

i keep seeing red takedowns of Murray Bookchin a



link

#14724

tears posted:

instead of althusser I am actually reading "The crash of international finance-capital and its implications for the third world" (2nd ed) by Dani wadada nabudere which is great, being a summary of his book "the rise and fall of money capital"



this book is good, and i would recommend to anyone who likes economics. a theme which i wish had been developed more is the authors explanation of how capitalist production itself is in the process of grinding to a halt because of lack of profitability causing increasing hoarding &c

The colonial enclaves of production and the colonial state therefore become sub-centres of the reproduction of capitalist relations and struggles. As these exploitative relations are exposed to the bulk of the population, a national contradiction emerges which creates the first battle line between these forces and finance-capital. Although the nation state is created out of these battles and although the native bourgeoisie emerges and tries to consolidate bourgeois relations in collaboration with international finance-capital, this new alliance of bourgeois forces is once more opposed by the exploited and oppressed worker-peasant masses. This forms the second battle against international finance-capital, or imperialism.

As these battles intensify and the working-class in the capitalist states intensifies their own struggle at home, finance-capital increasingly finds it difficult to reproduce itself at a 'reasonable' rate of profit and, as this happens, it closes down production points to try to diversify and concentrate on the most profitable outlets. But here too the going is not made any easier and open revolts of exploited masses in the form of 'IMF riots' or strikes takes place. With mass starvations in the former colonies,, capital finds it cannot reproduce the labouring classes that it needs to perpetuate its rule. thus both in capitalist and Third World states, a point is reached where no further 'reform' or restructuring is possible, and as the urge to make money without the intervention of production increases, so does finance-capital take on a more and more speculative, parasitic composition. But since capital cannot reproduce itself by making money out of fictitious capital without the intervention of production, it must collapse out of these struggles of the exploited and oppressed classes. These struggles must ultimately result in the political overthrow of the bourgeoisie as a ruling class and the enventual elimination and abolition of class rule.



which i think is marxist economics for "shit is fucked"

#14725
what tell people im reading: Govan Mbeki's "south africa: the peasants revolt"
what im actually reading: jim butcher book with cover depicting "man in stance w/ sword and haircut"
#14726

marlax78 posted:

cars posted:

i keep seeing red takedowns of Murray Bookchin a

link



i don't like save this shit off. I have a bunch of Bookchin I still read sometimes & I don't think he's awful, I'm sympathetic to people's personal experiences and he had a better reason for being bitter about Communist politics than most as a child of Communist immigrants who in his 20s saw Communist practice on political lines help get the U.S. to fight the Nazis and then saw the policy that resulted from it transition seamlessly into absorbing the Nazi apparatus into U.S. imperialist ventures. i also think libertarian muncipalism can inform good models of democratic decision making both in organizing and in some socialist future although i don't think it displaces the state in the immediate future or replaces unified organization in activism, which he would have hated but he's dead now so rip.

#14727
As for Bookchin's current proponents that treat him like a mascot, from my personal previous experience, I feel like anarchism in the English-speaking world, and especially in the United States as its cultural center because of the way socialism has been tamped down there, has a sort of bias against maintaining institutional history so they churn things up over and over. They are happy to find any actualized version of any self-identified anarchist philosophy in practice, and then like, the autonomists get the power back on and the primitivists say they're now completely bad, and then they ally with other left groups so the non-syndicalists say they're now completely bad, and so on.

My experience of this happening on a small scale was ultimately what drove me out of anarchism, not the theoretical or historical stuff which I didn't have the tools to understand until I started reading socialist writers fairly and without a lot of hostility. Like people would sail in to local anarchist groups with some sort of rep with a couple folks there and turn the entire group toward their own interests as fly-by-night street activists and a lot of people would seem to just be glad to have something to do that felt connected to some other city. And the net result of that was, just as you see with a lot of anarchist politics when attempted on a national or global scale, that it put them to work for the bourgeoisie and specifically for law enforcement because there wasn't a lot of learning from past experience or skepticism about charismatic newcomers, in part because nobody wanted to feel like they were pushing other people to do things they should do or pay attention to certain parts of history, so anyone who was ready to act disingenuously had a head start.

It was a rock and a hard place because people got both excited too quickly and disillusioned too easily. And that's likely to happen with the current Bookchin love which is sad to me.
#14728
Yeah I tried to build institutional memory, a structure of responsibilities, and a consistent political line into an anarchist org once. Was modestly successful while I was there for three years, then it immediately devolved back into goldfish memory rehashing of the same structural conflicts over and over again the moment me & my comrades let go of power because we had other shit going on and couldn't give it all our time anymore.

And I knew better going in, that this was how things would go, but I got attached and thought that with the allies I had we could maybe make a good go of it and Things Would Be Different This Time and we could build something with sustained effectiveness that could resolve its internal conflicts in a sane and productive fashion, learn from them and move on but no. Nnnnooooo. It was all very sad.
#14729
Maria Mies Patriarchy and Accumulation on a World Scale

Spoiler!

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#14730
Left Christians wasting energy on Wiccans hexing Trump is so bizarre no matter the level of irony. it's like if an environmentalist action group posted an article on their Web site saying that while global warming is a big deal yeah, we also have to combat the extinction-level threat of humanity getting replaced by people who dress up in dinosaur costumes.
#14731
Haven't encountered anything from the blogger Dolores Vek since she wrote this good post-election piece about U.S. settler-fascism, but now she's back with a post busting on Chapo
#14732
anatomy of reading a fantasy book

page 1: damn this is some zybourne clock level shit
pages 2-1000: and yet i am still reading it
#14733
i'm the opposite. like i want to read a gene wolfe book in theory but actually reading page after page is intolerable
#14734

swampman posted:

Maria Mies Patriarchy and Accumulation on a World Scale

this looks real good cheers. i see federici did a foreword

#14735

swampman posted:

witch cult stuff



this reminded me that one of wikipedia editors main objection to margaret murrays witch cult theories are that she didnt study history under an old man with beard at oxford OR cambridge, and thus is obviously incapable of doing history right, and immediately an imaginary chorus of a thousand thousand liberals in my brain cried out that grover furr is a professor of medieval history

#14736

Constantignoble posted:

Haven't encountered anything from the blogger Dolores Vek since she wrote this good post-election piece about U.S. settler-fascism, but now she's back with a post busting on Chapo


some of these critiques wouldn't apply if they'd heard more than one episode, I've heard plenty of serviceably Marxist-materialist class analysis in other eps.

the whole backend about how they're all children of apparatchiks and that's the only way they were able to get this level of fame and funding 95% is spot on (it overstates the punching left, which they do do, but only very rarely, especially if you don't count clowning on the ostensibly red but practically insane Red Kahina contingent), but like, isn't still a good thing to see the controlled opposition upgraded from Daily Show liberalism to Chappo Trot House?

#14737
of course I'm biased because the humor she is so unimpressed by is nothing more or less than monetized LF and it's fun to be able to get a version of it from somewhere other than this dead gay forum
#14738
no coincidence that the forum was shut down due to threats to a black president's life and Chapo gets big during the Trump era of white supremacy.
#14739

thirdplace posted:

Constantignoble posted:

Haven't encountered anything from the blogger Dolores Vek since she wrote this good post-election piece about U.S. settler-fascism, but now she's back with a post busting on Chapo

some of these critiques wouldn't apply if they'd heard more than one episode, I've heard plenty of serviceably Marxist-materialist class analysis in other eps.

the whole backend about how they're all children of apparatchiks and that's the only way they were able to get this level of fame and funding 95% is spot on (it overstates the punching left, which they do do, but only very rarely, especially if you don't count clowning on the ostensibly red but practically insane Red Kahina contingent), but like, isn't still a good thing to see the controlled opposition upgraded from Daily Show liberalism to Chappo Trot House?



el chapo's cum trap house: "good job these tankies dont have a sense of humour or we'd be out of a job, but thankfully they are completly humourless :smiley face: :laugh track:"
blogger: *le extremely leninspeak blogpost about how the chumbawumbahouse pogcast is the hitler of podcasts feat. thousands of mao-quotes*

#14740

thirdplace posted:

Constantignoble posted:

Haven't encountered anything from the blogger Dolores Vek since she wrote this good post-election piece about U.S. settler-fascism, but now she's back with a post busting on Chapo

some of these critiques wouldn't apply if they'd heard more than one episode, I've heard plenty of serviceably Marxist-materialist class analysis in other eps.

the whole backend about how they're all children of apparatchiks and that's the only way they were able to get this level of fame and funding 95% is spot on (it overstates the punching left, which they do do, but only very rarely, especially if you don't count clowning on the ostensibly red but practically insane Red Kahina contingent), but like, isn't still a good thing to see the controlled opposition upgraded from Daily Show liberalism to Chappo Trot House?



the trouble with writing a decent critique of chapo trap house is that the only people who care that much about a podcast they don't like to listen to generally have issues

#14741
i've taken my time to think on it and here is my critique of the podcast: More like chapo crap house.
#14742
the main critique of chapo is that they're funneling peopl into DSA and DSA appears fairly shite. dont think there's much more to say than that.
#14743

Petrol posted:

i've taken my time to think on it and here is my critique of the podcast: More like chapo crap house.


*thinking extremely hard*.... .... .... .... crapo......crapo chap house

#14744
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#14745
listen to street fight
#14746
i'm reading john smith's imperialism in the twenty first century
#14747

gay_swimmer posted:

listen to street fight


heh i listened to this on the ride home and i was all queued up to mock it as being classically anarchist in that it was half good takes on police and local issues and half really dumb shit about how weird it was that jeff sessions is a hypocrite on "state's rights" and how the "ruling elite" is a bunch of self-serving parasites whose voters don't really want anything they do

but then i realized i was about to do the exact same thing i'd just critiqued here, lol

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#14748
too many references i dont get lately on cth. more like chapo nap house
#14749
there is nothing chappo trap house couldn't fix by taking getfiscal on as a regular co-host
#14750
some say Chapo Trap house is for the birds. I say leave those birds alone
#14751
someone post this pdf plz

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Chinas-GDP-Would-Grow-Faster-Under-Mao-Era-Policies-Study-20170714-0034.html

http://www.nber.org/papers/w21397
#14752
this pdf plz
#14753
http://www.nber.org.sci-hub.cc/papers/w21397.pdf
#14754
my dream podcast is cohosted by getfiscal and tpaine and they have a segment at the end with sam kriss just to berate him for his articles for the bourgeoisie
#14755
my dream podcast is half elven, half vampire, with one green eye and one amber. it can cast both divine and arcane magic
#14756

Bablu posted:



it just so happens that dr. smith has agreed to conduct an online interview with me for publication. give me some hard hitting questions about contemporary global political economy rhizzone.

#14757
ask him what he thinks about khrushchev's speach to the 20th congress of the CPSU, settlers by j sakai, and rebuild of evangelion
#14758
also i am quoting this from long time ago on the book by "john smith" which i refuse to believe is a real persons name

tears posted:

just flicking back to the stuff Smith wrote about stalin, mao etc - e.g. ref 69 on p214 in his otherwise excellent book:

John Smith posted:

For an excellent introduction to the Chinese Revolution see Cindy Jaquith, "The origins and defeat of 1925-27 Chinese revolution" The Millitant, Dec 10, 2007 - http://www.themilitant.com/2007/7146/714656.html; and Cindy Jaquith "How Chinese working people overthrew capitalism", The Millitant, Dec 24, 2007, http://www.themilitant.com/2007/7148/714854.html"



Which is a real shame for such an otherwise good book because this "excellent introduction" can be summed up as

Under the Stalin misleadership,

(...)

Leon Trotsky and other members of the Left Opposition fought for a revolutionary policy in China

(...)

the Stalinized Communist International

(...)

the class-collaborationist course Stalin had promised the U.S. and European imperialists after the war

(...)

Due to its Stalinist leadership, the workers state was bureaucratically deformed from the beginning




#14759

tears posted:

ask him what he thinks about khrushchev's speach to the 20th congress of the CPSU, settlers by j sakai



i want jacobin (the website) to publish it to expose more people to anti-imperialism, but if they reject it i could ask him more questions i guess that monthly review online would have no issue publishing. i plan on opening by asking him about the social democrats voting for war credits in ww1, which gets at the same point

e: i made a thread on /r/communism asking for questions. if everyone gives me questions that would offend liberal sensitives too sharply, i guess i won't bother trying to publish it jacobin and will just give it to MR Online

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#14760
*serious thinking* ok. u could try asking what he thinks imperialism and super-exploitation mean for attitudes of people in the global north, and what he thinks is the "path forward". i am interested to see what he would say because iirc the book just ends with the inevitable socialism must win the battle of the brands or else even bigger badder things will happen