Washington Post posted:Trump ends covert CIA program to arm anti-Assad rebels in Syria, a move sought by Moscow
Moscow aaaaand...?
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/index.html
Panopticon posted:you're giving him the benefit of the doubt
please clarify what you mean by "you," "him," and "giving ... the benefit of the doubt"
I haven't checked but far as I know all those statistics came from fake rebel ngo Observatories which spent the last four years whining that the US wouldn't bomb their country... Now as US has abandoned them in favour of SDF they have gone all out to brand America Enemy number one
(They have also been dropped by western media since then)
Also it's only been with in the last few months of this three year bombing campaign that they have actually targeted terrorists and terrorist held cities (and it's possible that the civilians killed in Mosul will dwarf what we've seen so far... Comparable to Grozny 1996?)
A comprehensive and fair minded study of the battles of Aleppo Raqqa and Mosul is needed I think and would hilight how the Syrian Army was able to liberate urban areas while minimising casualties
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Petrol posted:wow. Im starting to get suspicious of this 7 year old who desperately and very articulately wants us to destroy the Assad regime.
Oh, so u think you're smarter than the UN and Google who just a months ago launched their flagship website explaining what is happening in Syria, describing Bana as the voice of millions of Syrian children
https://searchingforsyria.org/en/
Constantignoble posted:please clarify what you mean by "you," "him," and "giving ... the benefit of the doubt"
i mean saying "given discretion" implies a disinterest on the part of trump regarding civilian casualties but he seemed to be pretty eager for more civilian casualties from the get go
xipe posted:Petrol posted:
wow. Im starting to get suspicious of this 7 year old who desperately and very articulately wants us to destroy the Assad regime.
Oh, so u think you're smarter than the UN and Google who just a months ago launched their flagship website explaining what is happening in Syria, describing Bana as the voice of millions of Syrian children
https://searchingforsyria.org/en/
i like how that website uses these kind of humanizing facts to push the regime change narrative (syrians are people too, but evil assad attacked them for wanting democracy in 2011!), while obfuscating the fact that for instance the reason so many syrians have high levels of education is for the same reason the US is trying to overthrow their government
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I think it's important to keep winning the information war even as the military war on Syria concludes... The ghouls who destroyed Iraq and Libya have successfully shaped those narratives to this day and are trying the same thing on Venezuela
Do I understand that according to hoxhaists and maoists (both of whom are present in YPJ/G), this investment by China is 'imperialist' but the US activities, which has only given $$billions in guns and drugs to psychopaths, is not?
I'm sure I'm missing something in ML theory
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Whereas since the US hasn't exported any capital its not imperialist in this situation.
I'm sure I'm missing something big here, and I would appreciate being pointed in right direction
Meanwhile: 72 hours after the end of the CIA weapons program for moderate rebels is announced, Al-Qaeda crushes the largest moderate rebel group, declares the FSA never existed and takes full control of Idlib City.
xipe posted:I meant in the way USSR/China in this case is described as 'social imperialist' for exporting capital according to Lenin's definition.
Whereas since the US hasn't exported any capital its not imperialist in this situation.
I'm sure I'm missing something big here, and I would appreciate being pointed in right direction
Petrol posted:not sure how the billions poured into the "rebel" groups by US and its allies don't count as exporting capital
The money and materiel poured into the rebel groups in Syria are not exported capital. That value is destroyed and destroys value in Syria at the same time - think of it as a violent, rapid underdevelopment, or reversal of development, of Syria. That creates inroads for imperialist capital (usually managed by NGOs). I don't think the ISIS caliphate was ever intended to be a permanent government that would then attempt to develop Syria in a way that included US interests.
China and Russia can invest money in the reconstruction of Syria in ways that we may find classically imperialist (I'd like to know more details first) but if they don't get up to the real shit we do, like grooming some countries as narcostates and requiring others to legalize slavery, I am justifiably going to sleep through their behavior
xipe posted:Well if you could show how the CIA and pentagon are able to convert their terrorist commodities back into profits that would be interesting.
Meanwhile: 72 hours after the end of the CIA weapons program for moderate rebels is announced, Al-Qaeda crushes the largest moderate rebel group, declares the FSA never existed and takes full control of Idlib City.
OR
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xipe posted:Well if you could show how the CIA and pentagon are able to convert their terrorist commodities back into profits that would be interesting.
they trucked out like a trillion gallons of oil before russia stepped in
swampman posted:The money and materiel poured into the rebel groups in Syria are not exported capital. That value is destroyed and destroys value in Syria at the same time
Sure but I'm not talking about traditional investment obviously. It's more along the lines of when an organised crime figure does you a favor.
As Elliot Higgins first pointed out,
Elliot Higgins and other analysts have noted
As Higgins notes,
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Petrol posted:it took jakkkobin a real long time to roll out what is essentially a rehash of the same old shit peppered with guardian and hrw links
the complete list of bourgeois publications and think tanks in this piece, by order of appearance:
Die Welt
The New York Times
Press Secretary of the White House
The New York Times [2]
Reuters
The New York Times [3]
The Washington Post
The USA Today
The Telegraph
The Century Foundation
Human Rights Watch
CNN
Reuters [2]
The New York Times [4]
The Guardian
Human Rights Watch [2]
The Guardian [2]
Just Security
The New York Times [5]
Just Security [2]
CNN [2]
The New York Times [6]
Die Welt [2]
The New York Times [7]
The New York Times [8]
Press Secretary of the White House [2]
U.S. Department of Defense (this one is specially funny because it is Jacobin saying that Defense Secretary James Mattis cannot tell a lie)
French Ministry of Foreign Affairs
French Ministry of Foreign Affairs [2]
The Guardian [3]
The 24-year-old Kurdish YPG representative, a veteran of the Isis siege of Kobani on the Turkish border, said that just over two weeks ago – after the latest Syrian offensive took Isis forces west of Raqqa by surprise – a Russian air strike had mistakenly targeted a Kurdish position. “That is why we set up our centre here 10 days ago,” he said. “We talk everyday and we already have another centre at Afrin to coordinate the campaign. We have to make one force that fights together.” The presence of these men at this remote desert outpost shows just how seriously Moscow views the strategy of the Syrian war and the need to monitor the largely Kurdish “Syrian Democratic Forces” who are already inside Raqqa with the support of US air strikes.
When I left the area, 29 families – cartloads of children and black-shrouded women and upturned sofas – had just arrived in Rasafeh from Deir ez-Zour to seek the Raqqa governor’s assistance. Another 50 had arrived the previous day. It seemed perfectly obvious that if the Syrian army lets America’s largely Kurdish friends occupy Raqqa, it is going to help the Syrian government civilian administration take over the city by the force of bureaucracy. How would that be for a bloodless victory?
Yet already, Syrian engineers are restoring electricity capacity from the desert generating stations which have only recently been hideouts for Isis leaders, a power system intimately connected to the Syrian oil fields, slowly being recovered from the Isis enemy, which remain – modest though they are in comparison with the great Gulf, Iraqi and Iranian oil resources – Syria’s “pearl in the desert”. Who controls these wealth machines – how their product will be shared now it has been freed from the Isis mafia – will determine part of Syria’s future political history.
xipe posted:For organisations that have supported regime change chaos in Syria like the UN and Google, to have rolled back so far shows they have lost.
I think it's important to keep winning the information war even as the military war on Syria concludes... The ghouls who destroyed Iraq and Libya have successfully shaped those narratives to this day and are trying the same thing on Venezuela
And cuz they "lost," or at least didn't outright win, they're pushing hard:
Will Syria's war criminals be let off the hook?
They even worked the Khmer Rouge into the article lol
e: lmfao "Ms Del Ponte, as a former prosecutor at the tribunal for Yugoslavia, and the woman who put Slobodan Milosevic in the dock, knows how to bring war criminals to book."
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What the fuck does that mean? We "know" about another attack but its classified? haha.
It just sounds like they know who is really behind these chemicals being stored and released (my moderate rebels!) but it is "classified".
I recall at one point it being suggested it was clorine, which would be consistent with visible cloud and burning eyes lungs in some witness reports at the time,yet the Washington narrative is that it was sarin (odourless and invisible). My understanding is that sarin has to be weaponized shortly prior to being used or it is ineffective. This means that stored sarin that was not ready for immediate use would not have caused such deaths. And as such this reaffirms (within that narrative) that its use was intentional and not side effect of bombing a storage facility.
Here is the raw footage the White Helmets recorded for 4 April, which trump and OPCW accepted as evidence.
It features the same scene shot multiple times with the same characters playing many roles
https://youtu.be/8LnVHw96jFs
E: also this weird guy has been spending ages going thru material on 4th April incident.
Its possible lots of it is nonsense (I haven't looked) but I'm sure some tidbits too
http://bd8.com/syria/opcwfraud/
E2: also sofa expert brown moses is running the investigation like so
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