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Belt and Road Initiative Thread~

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nice song

world's economic centre of gravity flying eastward:



i dunno what geopolitical theories they use at the moment but the 'heartland'/'geographical pivot of history' encouraged this in 1907

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my newspaper had two pages by xinhua saying how good belgium-china relations are and how epic win belt and road is going to be without actually giving any concrete investment plans
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roseweird posted:

watch these tiny babys GO CRAZY for economic initiatives



next up on the JK rowling kids network: bana alabed interviews the Belt and Road babies

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not the most obvious pairing, but overall i agree that both belts and roads are important in society
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xipe posted:

i dunno what geopolitical theories they use at the moment


they like this one:

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http://youtubedoubler.com/l3ec
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the belt and road is wow
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I don't know if the Belt and Road program will help those 65 countries not be capitalist, but heck it makes a change from the Bleed and Roast program the PNAC trotskyites have to offer
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from a comrade on fb:

First, we have this as a continuation of the socialist principle of supporting the independent development of underdeveloped and colonized countries. During the 'Cold War', the USSR supported various (bourgeois) republics in industrializing, essentially building the economic base for a future socialism, so there were extensive investments in public works and infrastructure projects, as well as nationalized companies, moving those countries away from dependence on the neocolonial system. The US and other imperial powers, on the other hand, preferred to spend their aid directly into the hands of capitalists and the private sector, investing in bourgeois firms and encouraging the development of private capitalism that was dependent on natural resource extraction and Western monopolies. So, in this sense, China is continuing this strategy and developing neighbors and expanding the capacity of other countries for mutual benefit, as its economy has reached certain limits of this phase of development.

Second, you have this as a sort of 'pivot' due to the advanced crises of imperialism. The continuing expansion of production in China is causing these crises to deepen, as commodities are being manufactured in greater and cheaper quantities, making it increasingly harder for monopolies to maintain high levels of profitability. Thus the imperial 'pivot to Asia' through the Pacific against China, the complaints about China "manipulating" its currency, the complaints from economic nationalists about China "stealing American production/jobs", etc. Imperialism no longer can function on the neocolonial expansion of old, due to the falling rate of profit and these deepening crises, it cannot tolerate any independence of underdeveloped bourgeois republics, even a degree of stability in its neocolonies is no longer acceptable, now permanent low-intensity war is the new norm. Imperial strategists such as Brzerzinski have inaugurated the new era of colonization with the term 'the Arc of Crisis', ie. an arc of instability through Eurasia (seen as 'inherent' to Asia by the racist imperial bourgeoisie) that allows the US-led imperial bloc to assert its superior military force to create more favorable terms for monopolies to their profits. Necessarily this means countering Russia and especially China. This also means the rise of chauvinist-nationalism and fascism as a means to organize this highly-militaristic program both at home and abroad.

So these two main thrusts have united in the necessity of China to continue peaceful development at a time of rising aggression and imperial threats, and many (underdeveloped) capitalist countries are interested in a more 'stable' path than the one the US-led imperialist camp represents. The highly-developed military strength of the US and its 'pivot to Asia' via the Pacific makes a maritime trade concept increasingly unfavorable for China, so instead of confronting the US militarily in the Pacific, China chooses to play on its strengths and conduct this trade-development arrangement across the Eurasian landmass, with many countries threatened by the spreading instability of imperial strategy and colonial warfare increasingly eager to sign up (particularly those countries that are directly threatened by the US military, ie. Russia and Iran, but also many countries that are just in proximity to this expanding style of colonial war).

One thing to keep in mind is that rising militarism and aggression is systemic, but strategically this is used to play to the strengths of the dominant US military and its partners. Countries such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey have stepped up and began to play a much more prominent role in this colonial strategy, and it is typically neocolonies (such as Ukraine or Yemen) that are taking the brunt of resistance to this policy. So this 'One Belt, One Road' is a very good side-step against imperialist militarism, encouraging peaceful development and friendly ties between governments in place of colonial division and hostility. Brilliant, really, and even manages to create confusion in the imperialist camp by offering trade benefits to even advanced capitalist countries and monopolies that choose to participate.



counterpoint:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-saudi-arabia-arms-deal-sale-arab-nato-gulf-states-a7741836.html
https://sputniknews.com/columnists/201705201053811797-abu-trump-al-amriki/

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xipe posted:



lmao at the world economy doing a 180 wingover away from north america at ten times its previous speed

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the belt and road is now?
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I have still not successfully been able to listen to the precocious kids sing about the belt and road the whole way through
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Same.
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one more belt for the road
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The Pants and Post is How
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the popular vote is in: belty mcroadface
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I found another good belt and road song

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Petrol posted:

Belt and Road Initiative Thread~


imagining the audience this would have to be aimed at is blowing my mind

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there are SO MANY of these insane belt and road videos
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xipe posted:

nice song

world's economic centre of gravity flying eastward:




kids in school in the united earth of 2290 will make faces at each other and roll their eyes about 二百失去年 and this will be the entirety of the global contribution of the european capitalist rape horde of 1820-2050

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i watched some terrible HK indiana jones ripoff the other day with jackie chan in it and they made a point of having characters from several non-western countries and travelling to those countries and mentioned the belt and road policy explicitly
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teh Belb and boab
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xipe posted:

from a comrade on fb:

So this 'One Belt, One Road' is a very good side-step against imperialist militarism, encouraging peaceful development and friendly ties between governments in place of colonial division and hostility. Brilliant, really, and even manages to create confusion in the imperialist camp by offering trade benefits to even advanced capitalist countries and monopolies that choose to participate.


lol

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once again, the trolls have confused and benefited my advanced capitalist countries and monopolies
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all those public relations campaigns are made by the same cohort of advertising experts who like try to convince people that oil companies care about trees and building a politics around it is like cargo cult insanity. if you made the same argument to the people who even make the ads they'd probably feel embarrassed for you, like if you went to exxonmobil's head office or whatever and were like "hey i heard you guys are doing great things for green energy".
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tears posted:

the belt and road is now?



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gay_swimmer posted:

there are SO MANY of these insane belt and road videos



basically to make this ad for the targeted adult demographic you would have to think most capitalist westerners literally have the understanding of children and, hell, you wouldnt be wrong. props china. hopefully the paternalistic chinese communist party saves us before we destroy the earth.

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getfiscal posted:

all those public relations campaigns are made by the same cohort of advertising experts who like try to convince people that oil companies care about trees and building a politics around it is like cargo cult insanity. if you made the same argument to the people who even make the ads they'd probably feel embarrassed for you, like if you went to exxonmobil's head office or whatever and were like "hey i heard you guys are doing great things for green energy".



I used to think that too, but in my surreal odyssey in an elite business school everything I've seen suggests that most elites in marketing, and business in general, completely buy into their own bullshit. Whether it's a class full of future CEOs in an MBA class, 40-50 year old business elites in exec-ed, or behind closed doors in a faculty meeting (faculty at these schools double as prominent management and marketing consultants), the mask never slips--there's never the least bit of cynicism.

I don't know that it's always been this way--my hunch is that things were different in the past--but contemporary capitalists really are sincerely committed to sustainability, corporate social responsibility, etc., while at the same time ruthlessly leveraging these tools of manipulation. There are no Straussian elites standing above the ideology--the elites are the ones who believe it most deeply. I'd go so far as to say that the ability to maintain this cognitive dissonance--to drink your own koolaid while retaining the ability to function as if you didn't--is one the most highly valued traits in the managerial class.

If you really followed sustainability or CSR rhetoric to its logical conclusions, or tried to use marketing to help consumers, you'd obviously be an extremely poor capitalist, but I think there are huge benefits to being able to convince yourself that you do. Being a cynic in a world where information travels easily is a huge liability (e.g. Enron) and maintaining a lie indefinitely is psychically draining. Moreover, CEOs, marketing execs, etc. have the same emotional needs as anyone else, and believing that they're making the world a better place and enriching their customers' lives makes them happier, more effective, and more committed to the goals of capital.

The awful truth is that, if you thanked a marketing exec at Shell or w/e, they'd probably be immensely gratified and go to bed infinitely pleased with how goddamn virtuous they were.

I think you can frame contemporary business culture as a microcosm of modern liberalism writ large. Just as liberalism realizes efficiency advantages over previous, more overtly authoritarian forms of social control by internalizing and camouflaging that control within individuals at every level of society, modern business culture benefits from inculcating its ideology within every level of an organization.

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Aspie_Muslim_Economist_ posted:

I used to think that too, but in my surreal odyssey in an elite business school everything I've seen suggests that most elites in marketing, and business in general, completely buy into their own bullshit.



yes

Aspie_Muslim_Economist_ posted:

I think you can frame contemporary business culture as a microcosm of modern liberalism writ large. Just as liberalism realizes efficiency advantages over previous, more overtly authoritarian forms of social control by internalizing and camouflaging that control within individuals at every level of society, modern business culture benefits from inculcating its ideology within every level of an organization.



that too

i think it's a big contemporary myth among liberal writer types that corporate officers & shareholders are all cynical psychopaths, likely because it allows them to distance their own ideology from people they perceive as their political enemies. those psychopath types exist but just as in the general population they're fairly rare.

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tony blair still honestly believes he did the right thing. its pyschopathy, but not as we know it
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To me it also speaks to how those same liberal writers perceive officials in countries when they find their leading political parties and figures objectionable.

It's important for them to believe that those leaders are manipulative cynics or Arendt-rhetoric-style apathetic bureaucrats at heart even though the liberals' own position wouldn't be severely weakened if their perceived opponents were earnest try-hards who got things wrong by just being wrong. It's never enough for them to say communism "doesn't work because of human nature" or "only works in theory", leaders in communist countries as they imagine them have to also have "realized" this and acted accordingly. A cornerstone of contemporary liberal ideology is that if you truly believe in what you're doing and your stated goals are admirable, you automatically gain the ability to think things through and do them in the best possible way given the circumstances. And looking around at the world, it's not hard to see why that idea is buried in the foundations and taken for granted when holding it up and examining it would make it seem absurd even to liberals.

This was one of the things that pointed me back to socialism and away from social democracy, how even the biggest "actually existing" defenders tend to acknowledge that e.g. the fall of the USSR is something socialists need to accommodate as interior to their movement if they're talking about lessons learned and what to do in the future. Even accounting for the real factor of capitalist-funded state violence in that equation, most would agree that it's not about to go away as a problem for socialism and a socialist project today with any hope whatsoever of gaining influence needs to address that among other issues raised by what happened there.
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You can also see this sometimes with socialists who assume that capitalists never share the ideology used to justify the dirty work of defending and propagating the power of capitalists, when it's a core trait of ideology that it works relatively smoothly in most times and places. Any experience with wealthy expats will probably demonstrate that members of the bourgeoisie are probably a lot more likely to believe things like that Venezuelans must be rescued from their government out of moral duty, and believe it in a fervent way that will never be matched by someone tired from working all day who doesn't feel they have time to question what's on the news.

When socialists make this mistake it makes the whole apparatus seem unreal to them and it weakens their arguments considerably. Liberal bourgeois culture has a number of mechanisms in place to normalize "hypocrisy" and disarm anger based solely on its discovery.
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Aspie_Muslim_Economist_ posted:

getfiscal posted:

all those public relations campaigns are made by the same cohort of advertising experts who like try to convince people that oil companies care about trees and building a politics around it is like cargo cult insanity. if you made the same argument to the people who even make the ads they'd probably feel embarrassed for you, like if you went to exxonmobil's head office or whatever and were like "hey i heard you guys are doing great things for green energy".

I used to think that too, but in my surreal odyssey in an elite business school everything I've seen suggests that most elites in marketing, and business in general, completely buy into their own bullshit. Whether it's a class full of future CEOs in an MBA class, 40-50 year old business elites in exec-ed, or behind closed doors in a faculty meeting (faculty at these schools double as prominent management and marketing consultants), the mask never slips--there's never the least bit of cynicism.

I don't know that it's always been this way--my hunch is that things were different in the past--but contemporary capitalists really are sincerely committed to sustainability, corporate social responsibility, etc., while at the same time ruthlessly leveraging these tools of manipulation. There are no Straussian elites standing above the ideology--the elites are the ones who believe it most deeply. I'd go so far as to say that the ability to maintain this cognitive dissonance--to drink your own koolaid while retaining the ability to function as if you didn't--is one the most highly valued traits in the managerial class.

If you really followed sustainability or CSR rhetoric to its logical conclusions, or tried to use marketing to help consumers, you'd obviously be an extremely poor capitalist, but I think there are huge benefits to being able to convince yourself that you do. Being a cynic in a world where information travels easily is a huge liability (e.g. Enron) and maintaining a lie indefinitely is psychically draining. Moreover, CEOs, marketing execs, etc. have the same emotional needs as anyone else, and believing that they're making the world a better place and enriching their customers' lives makes them happier, more effective, and more committed to the goals of capital.

The awful truth is that, if you thanked a marketing exec at Shell or w/e, they'd probably be immensely gratified and go to bed infinitely pleased with how goddamn virtuous they were.

I think you can frame contemporary business culture as a microcosm of modern liberalism writ large. Just as liberalism realizes efficiency advantages over previous, more overtly authoritarian forms of social control by internalizing and camouflaging that control within individuals at every level of society, modern business culture benefits from inculcating its ideology within every level of an organization.



this is true, going to school in the bay area i've met a lot of naive idiots who considered themselves very liberal and progressive and now they all work for tech companies or multinational corporations and fervently buy into the kind of neoliberal identity politics that posits voting for hillary and getting more women to be CEOs to promote corporate social responsibility is going to save the world and end poverty, they're goddamned heroes for earnestly ripping the capitalist status quo from republicans to do the same thing but with more color.

they all seem happy and successful on facebook, meanwhile i'm single and unemployed so hey chalk one more up for the comfort of ignorance and not being a pretentious communist weirdo with sadbrains.

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aerdil posted:

they all seem happy and successful on facebook, meanwhile i'm single and unemployed so hey chalk one more up for the comfort of ignorance and not being a pretentious communist weirdo with sadbrains



Catchphrase but with donkeybrains instead of sadbrains

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Aspie_Muslim_Economist_ posted:

I don't know that it's always been this way--my hunch is that things were different in the past--but contemporary capitalists really are sincerely committed to sustainability, corporate social responsibility, etc., while at the same time ruthlessly leveraging these tools of manipulation. There are no Straussian elites standing above the ideology--the elites are the ones who believe it most deeply. I'd go so far as to say that the ability to maintain this cognitive dissonance--to drink your own koolaid while retaining the ability to function as if you didn't--is one the most highly valued traits in the managerial class.

Well yeah it's always been this way, the phrases "white man's burden" and "manifest destiny" weren't written in cynicism. It's easy to maintain hypocrisy because the ideology is so amorphous - "sincerely committed to sustainability" means different things as needed. This view of social responsibility is what we expect from narcissists. Unflappable self-promoters, heroes of their own lives, of course the character they play would support Responsibility. Just a reminder that the sopranos was a really great tv show.

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Aspie_Muslim_Economist_ posted:

I used to think that too, but in my surreal odyssey in an elite business school everything I've seen suggests that most elites in marketing, and business in general, completely buy into their own bulls***.


Do you mean buying into the logic "the ends justify the means" or in the misinformation itself? There have been plenty of marketing campaigns based on partial or complete fabrications and it's hard for me to believe they don't know what they're doing on some level.

The awful truth is that, if you thanked a marketing exec at Shell or w/e, they'd probably be immensely gratified and go to bed infinitely pleased with how goddamn virtuous they were.


Happy in the moment perhaps but I imagine they still wonder at times whether their actions are contributing to climate change.

It kind of reminds me of that balance corporate/government elites have to wield between promoting neoliberal propaganda and sharing accurate data about the world since they still need to be informed to make important decisions.