thirdplace posted:

for me the funny part of that was being like "I'm totally super socialist" and offering up a long list of reasons why that is almost entirely left-liberal.

but i just don't have it in me to hate left liberals. this is partially (but only partially, believe me) because I am one, but it's mostly because both center-liberals and non-liberal rightists have cranked up their grotesqueness to 11 so even if Freddie is a fake socialist at least he and his get points for being recognizably human

i don't "hate" them at all, i post constantly about engaging with left-liberals on here and practice what i preach, and to me there's a big gap between the sort of left-liberal who might be reached by left messages and the sort that writes an article in AD 2016 about how "when" (lmao) the United States intervenes in Syria, it will tear "the left" apart, based on an article in Socialist Worker about the "Assad-Iran-Russia Triple Alliance".

i have been reading deboer for years ever since he was piggybacking on Democrat blogs to get his stuff read, and if anything he's moved to the right since he found his niche among "leftists" who flutter their hands and freak out over anti-imperialism in a behind-the-times bid to look "serious". the problem with deboer isn't that he's a left-liberal, it's that he's a reactionary in the most active and real sense.

cars posted:

thirdplace posted:

for me the funny part of that was being like "I'm totally super socialist" and offering up a long list of reasons why that is almost entirely left-liberal.

but i just don't have it in me to hate left liberals. this is partially (but only partially, believe me) because I am one, but it's mostly because both center-liberals and non-liberal rightists have cranked up their grotesqueness to 11 so even if Freddie is a fake socialist at least he and his get points for being recognizably human

i don't "hate" them at all, i post constantly about engaging with left-liberals on here and practice what i preach, and to me there's a big gap between the sort of left-liberal who might be reached by left messages and the sort that writes an article in AD 2016 about how "when" (lmao) the United States intervenes in Syria, it will tear "the left" apart, based on an article in Socialist Worker about the "Assad-Iran-Russia Triple Alliance".

i have been reading deboer for years ever since he was piggybacking on Democrat blogs to get his stuff read, and if anything he's moved to the right since he found his niche among "leftists" who flutter their hands and freak out over anti-imperialism in a behind-the-times bid to look "serious". the problem with deboer isn't that he's a left-liberal, it's that he's a reactionary in the most active and real sense.

huh, never seen him talk about foreign policy before, if its that shit then I retract my halfhearted half-defense

thirdplace posted:

cars posted:

thirdplace posted:

for me the funny part of that was being like "I'm totally super socialist" and offering up a long list of reasons why that is almost entirely left-liberal.

but i just don't have it in me to hate left liberals. this is partially (but only partially, believe me) because I am one, but it's mostly because both center-liberals and non-liberal rightists have cranked up their grotesqueness to 11 so even if Freddie is a fake socialist at least he and his get points for being recognizably human

i don't "hate" them at all, i post constantly about engaging with left-liberals on here and practice what i preach, and to me there's a big gap between the sort of left-liberal who might be reached by left messages and the sort that writes an article in AD 2016 about how "when" (lmao) the United States intervenes in Syria, it will tear "the left" apart, based on an article in Socialist Worker about the "Assad-Iran-Russia Triple Alliance".

i have been reading deboer for years ever since he was piggybacking on Democrat blogs to get his stuff read, and if anything he's moved to the right since he found his niche among "leftists" who flutter their hands and freak out over anti-imperialism in a behind-the-times bid to look "serious". the problem with deboer isn't that he's a left-liberal, it's that he's a reactionary in the most active and real sense.

huh, never seen him talk about foreign policy before, if its that shit then I retract my halfhearted half-defense

he wrote a buttmad article about LF yesterday
https://medium.com/@freddiedeboer/subculture-to-counterculture-to-culture-9a402075b290

How on Earth can you write the below, and think posting it is a good idea? Do you really think that this sounds sensible and not batshit insane? Seriously dude I’m not a big fan of yours but some friendly advice: next time, just breath and put the keyboard away. Apply your intellectual energies into something more productive than showcasing your translucently thin skin.

roseweird posted:

i just gave it a quick read and i don't know any background on this person but i thought it was mainly talking about conflicting messages of "internet irony stuff doesn't really matter, politically" and "the dsa is successfully enlarging its ranks and radicalizing its members with memes", and complaining that organizations can't have it both ways... either that stuff matters, and has an effect on organizing, or it doesn't matter (and is a waste of time, which is not to say don't do it, but don't mix it up with stuff that matters). sounds correct regardless of whether you care about the dsa or not. but twitter/fb/whatever he is talking about is mysterious to me so i guess i'll accept almost anything anyone postulates about it

yeah i also read it pretty quickly but im not really sure what the built-in contradiction is between "people enjoy funny people" and "after funny socialist people did memes and irony jokes now people are joining the DSA"; that seems to line up perfectly actually, but the article is presented as a criticism. so i guess the claim seems to be that the irony used in lefty circles is cynical and inherently self-defeatist or something which is harmful, in spite of the evidence it isn't, abd this then allows freddie to introduce the contradiction of how does it work and how do we stop acting this way. when again i think the critique is kind of invented and being projected onto people who are just enjoying a type of humor that's funny to them.

then again there was some stuff about a culture of owning people online or something that im not sure how it ties in so maybe i breezed through it a little too quickly.

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

imgur is going to stop allowing embedded images so goodbye to half the internet.

this cant be true can it

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

there's a huge mythology built up around LF across the entirety of the extremely online political spectrum and while the specifics of this mythology are variable it's treated as though it is or was the prime mover of left activity on the internet but then you remember that at most LF had 600 registered browsing it at any given time and most of them were indistinguishable morons

LF was 98% bump this thread every time Obamas name sounds like Osama & the most typing fuck this gay earth photos you got threads & the fact that 8 years later a few people like the T5000 are actual useful organizers and a few others like Sam K and Big Jeb have burgeoning pundit careers are at best an accident of time and place. Most of the name changed to James K Polk and bought a black and white avatar of James K Polk crew have happily returned their normie, white noise lives.

ilmdge posted:

he wrote a buttmad article about LF yesterday
https://medium.com/@freddiedeboer/subculture-to-counterculture-to-culture-9a402075b290

LMAO hi frederick.