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belgend posted:

ftfy


that is mildly funny but the narrative has actually shifted quite a bit. there are media organizations who publicly admit that corbyn is a person now

also, since i am sniping, lol:


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the irony of jez being smeared as a terrorist sympathiser and the torys only go and form a coalition with actual fascist terrorists
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jonah was a genius before his time
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if anyone is wondering who the DUP that everyone is now talking about is, they're the fascist representatives of the settler-colonial forces currently occupying northern ireland
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tears posted:

my other feeling is the the british election will be closer than the perma-wrong media keeps saying, ladbrokes are offering 7/1 on no overall majority. maybe i place bet

please quote this post back to me when im wrong tia



*checks my ladbrokes account* always bet on tears

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why do people call corbyn by a nickname that makes it sound like hes in the wu-tang clan? is it to distinguish him from the more famous jez from peep show?
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would the conservatives have some kind of problem with renewing hostilities with the IRA?
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tears posted:

yes


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let me just take the opportunity to offer my congratulations to jeremy corby, leader of hamas and the ira, on losing the british election
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Labour driving to the left is good I Claim, because following current trends I think many of those voters are going to find themselves exiting Labour to the left very soon over issues where Corbyn will swerve right. Labour's brand of reformism cannot satisfy even base demands of the people who voted for them in the current climate, certainly not as part of a coalition government if one can even be achieved vs. the combined reactionary efforts of the Tories and Ulster fascists.

the political difference between Corbyn and e.g. Sanders is one of degree, not kind, but that degree of difference is likely possible because of how the Democrats have never even tried to prove themselves in even a surface way to be a bourgeois "party of labor" and at best were once a bourgeois party buoyed by criminal extortion of trade union members. just my 2c.
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that would require labour to actually have a chance of forming a govt, which with the numbers looks impossible for them to do; i dont see any reason why people would leave supporting corbyn, in fact this will probably embolden support, at least until after the next inevitable election, comming soon. Tories won the election, though they did it with a collosal self own, which is the real goodshit here
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tories really lost the election, they cant do shit with the numbers they have now and colossally weakened their position. labour obviously is not in power atm but next time!
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yeah, they lost by winning really badly - my prediction is that may will limp along for a bit to provide "strong and stable leadership" in this time of troubles, before resigning, and then there will be another election
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my other prediction is that by 2030 the effects of climate change will be severe enough to make all this look like the stupid window dressing it was
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tears posted:

that would require labour to actually have a chance of forming a govt, which with the numbers looks impossible for them to do; i dont see any reason why people would leave supporting corbyn, in fact this will probably embolden support, at least until after the next inevitable election, comming soon. Tories won the election, though they did it with a collosal self own, which is the real goodshit here



what would require labour forming a government? the thing i wrote about how they might not be able to form a government? i take your point on the side here but none of this follows as a response to what you're responding to

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like, labour can fail to satisfy those likely to drift left by forming a government and swerving right, or by failing to form a government and swerving right, it's really immaterial which way that happens.
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as in i dont feel like there is any reason why labour would swerve right unless they were in power since their success in this election was specifically because they didnt do what the labour party has done since tony blair: double down on immitating the conservatives. the plp has been repeatedly trying to force labour to the right ever since corbyn was elected labourr leader and they failed, and that was before he won this election by losing really well on the basis of a lefty social democratic manifesto; they surely will stick to the same at least until the next election. so i dont really see much hope of people deserting labour/momentum for the one true revolutionary party(tm) on the basis of the fall out this election and believe that labour will see an upsurge in support instead.
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i guess what i'm saying here is that Corbyn has always already swerved right compared to some of the constituencies that Labour turned out, from my POV, like on Cops. And that i feel at least some people, probably more than would be easy to predict, would associate a failure of Labour to form a government after this election with a failure of electoral politics as surely as they would the failures of a Labour-led coalition, because they're already primed to distrust Labour and people in power generally. I'm not looking at the dissolution of the Labour Party here into a Red front or something although that would be nice, i'm just saying that there's probably more real discontent ballooning at its left than you see with Democrats in the U.S., in part because of the structural differences of the parties, in that the Democrats never really sold themselves to constituents as a labor party even when their money machine was fully intertwined with trade unions. And so there's more of a chance to pop the balloon so to speak.

For most rank-and-file Democrats, the "PLP" equivalent is the party, and Sanders was treated as viable in the first place because he advanced into the rarefied neo-nobility of the Senate. When he was in the House he was treated as a crazy punk (Matt Taibbi got real sad when Sanders became a senator and would no longer meet with him in person). There's no sense among Democrats of there being a party at all that isn't people in Congress or the White House. Which I hope will come back to bite them in the ass but there's less opportunity for that because it seeps into everything... like Bhaskar Sunkara recently shared results of a poll of DSA members asking what the DSA's top priorities should be. It turns out that behind only "Medicare for all" (less a proposal than a slogan they've been promoting recently) the DSA membership's top-ranked priority, by a lot, is to elect DSA people to political office. And even Sunkara was like... whoa... that's not good.
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im seeing some people start to say that for the tories to coalition with the DUP would be a violation of the good friday agreement. and that theresa may said it was happening before coming to an agreement with them anyway. she might not even get a majority coalition out of this
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cars, its interesting that every "lefty" political "party" in the UK was 100% behind labour in this election, the "british road to socialism" permeates everything here - an eternal merry go round where people look for an alternative to labour and all they find is CPB, SWP, etc etc who all say "vote for corbyn, hes our road to socialism, we almost did it this time, next time next time next time" which acts to feed dissolusioned labour supporters back into supporting labour as the only option, and managing dissent, this has happened over and over through the past 100 years; you've really got to look out in the sticks to find anyone who says that actually this is all bad, and that corbyn is actually just social democracy at home and imperialism overseas and would never be able to do what he promised. I wish he'd won because then with his inevitable post victory lurch to the right every little trot and revisionist group has already broken itself with the hagiographic corbyn corbyn corbyn chanting and then...somethign something something...marxism leninism. as it is im pessimistic

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i can be down with pessimism.
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TG posted:

why do people call corbyn by a nickname that makes it sound like hes in the wu-tang clan


when the answer is contained in the question

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ilmdge posted:

im seeing some people start to say that for the tories to coalition with the DUP would be a violation of the good friday agreement. and that theresa may said it was happening before coming to an agreement with them anyway. she might not even get a majority coalition out of this



now here's where i'm a pessimist... but it does at least remind me a little of 2007 when Paisley was in the middle of taking a leak on the Good Friday agreement in the assembly & saying he'd never be First Minister with Sinn Fein holding the deputy's chair and freaking out the DUP people who wanted the biggest piece of the pie following the election, and suddenly "someone" called in a bomb threat and the whole place evacuated, and when the dust died down from the stampede Paisley's people were like, oh he didn't mean any of that, he'll definitely take the post. which still makes me laugh.

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tears posted:

my other prediction is that by 2030 the effects of climate change will be severe enough to make all this look like the stupid window dressing it was


gahaahaha

*cuts self to feel alive while drinking everclear*

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i am the baddest teen
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current dr cat prediction: the tories will eat themselves & not be able to actually pass a throne speech or MAYBE a throne speech but not the next confidence vote and corbyn will have a kick at the can w/some kind of insane frankenstein informal coalition where every bill has to be palatable to enough tories to pass the house. the tories will let this happen again thinking corbyn sucks but then he actually pulls it off for a few months, everyone in this forum will go wahh he's a rightist he gave a dollar to police, he looks good to normal people, and then the tories get shitty again and cause the next election.
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drwhat posted:

that is mildly funny but the narrative has actually shifted quite a bit. there are media organizations who publicly admit that corbyn is a person now


the narrative has shifted in the sense that the owen joneses of middle england have shifted their weather vane back to the left once it turned out - surprise surprise - momentum's face to face campagne actually worked, like it did with sanders and melenchon. the beeb and the rest of the blatantly right wing press still think corbyn is inert


i do agree w your prediction and think giving money to community policing is a correct line

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by the way the owen joneses of middle england is also the name of my presidents of the united states cover band check us out on soundcloud
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can't wait for the hung parliament to be resolved by blairite mps crossing the floor to the tories
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from what i've read those morons just line up behind whichever way the wind is blowing and they can see the groundswell as well as anyone else. also they may have noticed everyone who is anti-corbyn gets run over

it is hard not to enjoy that one guy actually eating his book on sky news or whatever it was
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that's likely, safe, boring. but you should never underestimate the bullheaded ability of career politicians to hilariously fuck themselves over grasping at be their big chance to be Important.
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lmao what is going on
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belgend posted:

giving money to community policing is a correct line



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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-success-general-election-theresa-may-pc-culture-reject-populism-a7785611.html

people are mad at zizek for this but i'm gratified that it only took a decade for people to finally come around to the idea that this guy who looks, talks and acts like a dipshit might be a dipshit
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zizek: the matrix revolutions is actually very smart and toilets smell bad
the left: holy shit this man is a genius
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"abloo bloo bloo i weep, for my terrible opinions are criticised, and it is i claim political correctness, how you say, gone mad," - the left's foremost philosophical mind
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In the context of other things he has said in the past, Zizek's disapproval of Tories making accusations of Antisemitism probably doesn't come from the best place.
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