stegosaurus posted:oh ok thats different. the refineries here are all definitely dhs. and patrolled by off duty cops, surrounded by barbed wire with some sort of sensor running all through the fence. i dont doubt that the steelworkers could fuck things up, but the point is that they wouldnt monkeywrench their own retirement, that doesnt make any sense. unless a socialist movement could offer them an even better deal which isnt possible short term.
Yea If you want 2 talk labor aristocrats idk why guys starting at 90k/yr two seconds after they graduate high school would fuck that up.
stegosaurus posted:oh ok thats different. the refineries here are all definitely dhs. and patrolled by off duty cops, surrounded by barbed wire with some sort of sensor running all through the fence. i dont doubt that the steelworkers could fuck things up, but the point is that they wouldnt monkeywrench their own retirement, that doesnt make any sense. unless a socialist movement could offer them an even better deal which isnt possible short term.
It's shortsighted, but "winning" the contract, seeing no loss in their benefits, and demonstrating how powerful they can be is something that the guys who actually get elected to union leadership appear to have no qualms with, at least when they get really mad and talk big out away from management or when we're drinking. It feels a lot less political in the northeast and a lot more like "don't fuck with us" even though most of the refineries up here were shut down not long ago, even several that were consistently profitable (e.g. Eagle Point).
edit: more political on the gulf coast imo
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Keven posted:stegosaurus posted:oh ok thats different. the refineries here are all definitely dhs. and patrolled by off duty cops, surrounded by barbed wire with some sort of sensor running all through the fence. i dont doubt that the steelworkers could fuck things up, but the point is that they wouldnt monkeywrench their own retirement, that doesnt make any sense. unless a socialist movement could offer them an even better deal which isnt possible short term.
Yea If you want 2 talk labor aristocrats idk why guys starting at 90k/yr two seconds after they graduate high school would fuck that up.
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toyotathon posted:hasn't there not been a new refinery built in the US in a while? are US refineries meeting demand for domestic fuels and feedstocks or do we import.
Refinery expansions are a better return on investment than new builds. see: Marathon Garyville, Motiva Port Arthur (soon to be Aramco), etc.
Our position as a net exporter or importer of crude oil or refined products is market dependent. We recently became a net exporter of crude for the first time in a while. It's a constantly shifting thing as every country expands refineries and production. There's also those geopolitical sorts of shifts like how we've been making secret war on Venezuela for a while now but not long ago they were the source of the largest volume of USA crude imports.
I'm not a for-real commodities trader, but just dabbling I was able to learn what a huge game the oil merchant market is. Big players. It's fierce. A more wild thing is there's more money in corn than oil haha.
cars posted:the funny part to me about what little i know about oil & gas management is that they will spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in, say, alberta to have a "cyber security" assessment done and then they will completely ignore the findings which are real bad in the most polite way that real bad things can be phrased. believe it or not shareholder pressure usually provides genuine impetus at high levels in most industries to make some sort of nominal effort to address findings like that, mainly because of bad press if the findings leak to the media and then those earlier stories about "they ignored warnings" get cited by the news during a later breach. i have heard a lot of theories from a lot of greedy people outside the industry itself on why that's different for oil & gas but not a lot of convincing ones... if you have any idea sunny i'm curious. is it just the intertwining of the industry and national security so they feel they can ignore it?
in my experience it's risk management at the lowest allowable decision-making level (like site leadership or regional leadership, not company-level). leadership chooses that it's not a high enough risk to make an investment. There's no obvious return unless something's happened in the past so that when you calculate NPV, IRR, w/e you can put negative capital in the "benefits" line item and pass the red face test (i.e. don't just straight up lie even if it's the right thing to do).
also, there's the "if it interests my boss, it fascinates me" mindset---if it's not a priority to the current leadership, it's easy to dismiss as a priority on an individual level.
I feel like this sort of thing is exactly the same across most corporations. am I wrong?
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sunny posted:in my experience it's risk management at the lowest allowable decision-making level (like site leadership or regional leadership, not company-level). leadership chooses that it's not a high enough risk to make an investment. There's no obvious return unless something's happened in the past so that when you calculate NPV, IRR, w/e you can put negative capital in the "benefits" line item and pass the red face test (i.e. don't just straight up lie even if it's the right thing to do).
also, there's the "if it interests my boss, it fascinates me" mindset---if it's not a priority to the current leadership, it's easy to dismiss as a priority on an individual level.
I feel like this sort of thing is exactly the same across most corporations. am I wrong?
it happens at higher levels in some companies but what i guess i'm asking is why the process results in fewer B2B contracts for risk services for that industry. and i guess it might just be that it's a lack of past events...? that's stuff I wouldn't have a window into.
roseweird posted:a business math teacher said to me "happy administrative professionals day!" today and it made my stomach knot. my only comfort is that i do almost nothing productive here for anyone other than myself and will be an engineer soon
i hope u gave the ceremonial reply in return otherwise u might get reported and flogged for inadequate subservience to Capital
roseweird posted:yesterday i tortured some business math students
sounds bad, hope everything is O.k.
roseweird posted:what if i told you, magic is real, but lame
*quitely to self* its not lame
our office manager is retiring in june and i am this close to putting in an application for her job
every single one of the hiring group that I was a part of is plannign on doing the same. this unit can get fucked.
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belgend posted:our national spokesperson got stabbed in the leg during may day. he's alright but it's a fright
Christ. Three percenters are going to show up at ours apparently
tears posted:i was given my notice today, so its goodbye to the laziest job ive ever had and hello to part time bat survey work for slave wages. dawn survesy, dusk surveys, scoping surveys, crawling about in peoples attics, i wonder how this will affect my posting career
this sounds rad as fuck
dank_xiaopeng posted:working conditions on my hospital unit have become so shitty that pretty much every experienced nurse has jumped ship. I've been on the job for just shy of a year and my manager has approached me to train/ be a preceptor for the next incoming group of new hires for the grinder. if a still-green new nurse is the best they can do to provide training, you know the floor is completely dysfunctional. only a few more months till i'm at my one-year mark and I can bail too.
every single one of the hiring group that I was a part of is plannign on doing the same. this unit can get fucked.
that sounds very familiar from every other nurse story i've ever heard in the us of a
dank_xiaopeng posted:working conditions on my hospital unit have become so shitty that pretty much every experienced nurse has jumped ship. I've been on the job for just shy of a year and my manager has approached me to train/ be a preceptor for the next incoming group of new hires for the grinder. if a still-green new nurse is the best they can do to provide training, you know the floor is completely dysfunctional. only a few more months till i'm at my one-year mark and I can bail too.
every single one of the hiring group that I was a part of is plannign on doing the same. this unit can get fucked.
the only people i've ever heard of who really like being nurses are either really catholic women or guys who will later be identified as something called "The Skullkeeper"
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:tears posted:this sounds rad as fuck
reporting in - turns out its like sentry duty but without the excitement that you might be shot and killed
