Gssh posted:Very interesting. Does the reclassification also affect what is considered a legal response to Israeli and Turkish attacks?
https://www.facebook.com/amal.saad111/posts/10154589895438175?pnref=story
this is her post: no one has asked her any questions about it and that would be a good one
swampman posted:Panopticon posted:apparently sputnik had a photojournalist at the hit airbase and one of the pics they've been showing is of a bunch of discarded soviet chemical weapons containers
.@SputnikInt photo from Assad's AFB shows what looks like Soviet chemical weapons containershttps://t.co/5nI82quluEhttps://t.co/JKSh6C7JyY pic.twitter.com/ktRzLENZr1
— CIT (en) (@CITeam_en) April 7, 2017
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201704071052410762-syria-army-airfield-arrival/few examples of the holes drilled by the OPCW inspectors
— Within Syria (@WithinSyriaBlog) April 7, 2017
can easlly spot the holes on a HD image :https://t.co/vpB73rJjco pic.twitter.com/qmGo3BfaDl
good work by the OPCW you can see why they & the US government agreed in 2014 that all syrian chemical weapons were destroyed
Chlorine was used this evening in Qaboon Damascus by #Assad forces .
— Mohamad Katoub (@MhdKatoub) April 7, 2017
Fortunately 2 casualties, no deaths
what a great precedent this has set.
this is a syrian doctor i am talking with; i asked him here what the effects of sanctions are on the syrian health system
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1d0MFL8avvD
if you have any other questions you want me to ask him please say and i will post his response
insta_gramsci posted:also if you haven't read it sy hersh's piece on the 2013 cw attack in ghouta puts a lot of the events of the past week into perspective:
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n24/seymour-m-hersh/whose-sarin
the attack in khan sheikhoun is just way too convenient, especially given what has followed.
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line
This article is also good, goes more in depth into how the rebels have access to chemical weapons. Also ties in the Benghazi attacks, and how weapons smuggling to Syria was involved in that.
swampman posted:https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/850459002039406593
xipe posted:good work by the OPCW you can see why they & the US government agreed in 2014 that all syrian chemical weapons were destroyed
https://www.opcw.org/news/article/media-brief-reported-use-of-chemical-weapons-southern-idlib-syria-4-april-2017/
Syria became a State Party to the Chemical Weapons Convention and a Member State of the OPCW in October 2013. As a result of a joint OPCW-UN operation, in cooperation with the Syrian government, all of the chemical weapons declared by Syria were removed and destroyed outside of Syrian territory.
oh you thought trumps imperialism wasnt woke?
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Breaking: US airstrike kills 20+ civilians in west Raqqa. Many children among the dead.
— Leith Abou Fadel (@leithfadel) April 8, 2017
I checked to see if Panoptikon had posted this earlier, but then I realized he doesn't actually care about civilians in the empire's enemy states. From justifying the millions of Indians starved to death by the British empire, to celebrating Nazi death squads that killed hundreds of thousands in Ukraine, the forums reader should see a pattern emerge.
The source that posted the original claims, recanted. Guyovich is right, these store cluster submunitions.
.@SputnikInt @bm27_uragan Photos from Syrian Shayrat airforce base show BKF containers for AO-2,5RT cluster submunitions, not chemical weapons. pic.twitter.com/o6xKyK7rO4
— CIT (en) (@CITeam_en) April 8, 2017
Clarifying the situation with containers found at Shayrat airbase https://t.co/uvJLyRp9OP pic.twitter.com/TWJlF8x0Ia
— CIT (en) (@CITeam_en) April 8, 2017
Panopticon posted:sorry. i'm sorry. i'm trying to remove it
xipe posted:this is a syrian doctor i am talking with; i asked him here what the effects of sanctions are on the syrian health system
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1d0MFL8avvD
if you have any other questions you want me to ask him please say and i will post his response
i asked this time how the medical system in syria worked before the war and how it continues to work now.
the doc travels to europe every few months to earn money, so he compared those health systems
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1a0djeByGPG
xipe posted:that would be a good one
Im not on social media so am unable to ask. If someone else does please post response. Cheers for your investigations and posts xipe.
Panopticon posted:https://www.opcw.org/news/article/media-brief-reported-use-of-chemical-weapons-southern-idlib-syria-4-april-2017/
Syria became a State Party to the Chemical Weapons Convention and a Member State of the OPCW in October 2013. As a result of a joint OPCW-UN operation, in cooperation with the Syrian government, all of the chemical weapons declared by Syria were removed and destroyed outside of Syrian territory.
i realize your source owned you publicly here but i think each own should improve the owned... so uh i guess remember that when you inspect something to see what it is you still have to look at it to find out whether or not its what youre looking for. peace
Five major US newspapers—the New York Times, Washington Post, USA Today, Wall Street Journal and New York Daily News—offered no opinion space to anyone opposed to Donald Trump’s Thursday night airstrikes. By contrast, the five papers ran a total of 18 op-eds, columns or “news analysis” articles (dressed-up opinion pieces) that either praised the strikes or criticized them for not being harsh enough:
New York Times
After the Missiles, We Need Smart Diplomacy on Syria (4/7/17)
Acting on Instinct, Trump Upends His Own Foreign Policy (4/7/17) (originally headlined “On Syria Attack, Trump’s Heart Came First”—presumably changed due to social media mockery)
Trump Raises the Stakes for Russia and Iran (4/7/17)
Syria’s ‘Conundrum’: Limited Strikes Risk Entrenching Assad’s Strategy (4/7/17)
Washington Post
Editorial: Trump’s Chance to Step Into the Global Leadership Vacuum (4/7/17)
Trump Enforces the ‘Red Line’ on Chemical Weapons (4/6/17)
Trump Has an Opportunity to Right Obama’s Wrongs in Syria (4/6/17)
Syrian Opposition Leader: Trump Has a Chance to Save Syria (4/7/17)
Was Trump’s Syria Strike a Moral Impulse or a Policy Change? (4/7/17)
Will Trump’s Decision to Strike Syria Reset His Presidency? (4/7/17)
Trump Might Be Going to War. But He Has No Plans for Establishing Peace (4/7/17) (Though the piece has criticism of Trump, it starts by declaring that the missile strikes were “an appropriate response to an act of unspeakable horror.”)
Wall Street Journal
Editorial: Trump’s Syria Opportunity (4/7/17)
With Strike on Syria, Trump Sends a Global Message (4/7/17)
USA Today
Editorial: Trump Pulls the Trigger in Syria (4/7/17)
Syria Missile Strike Could Lead to Political Solution (4/7/17)
Daily News
Praise Trump’s Syria Action, but Question His Explanation (4/7/17)
Trump’s Syria Response Raises Urgent Questions (4/7/17)
Trump’s Syria Action: A Limited Strike for a Specific Purpose (4/7/17)
Some, such as “The Riddle of Trump’s Syria Attack” (New York Times, 4/7/17) and “Was That Syria Attack Legal? Only Congress Can Say” (USA Today, 4/7/17) were value neutral—neither expressly in support of the attacks nor opposing them.
Cable news coverage was equally fawning. In the hours immediately following the attack, MSNBC had on a seemingly never-ending string of military brass and reporters who uncritically repeated the assertion the strikes were “proportional” and “limited.” MSNBC didn’t give a platform to a single dissenting voice until four hours after the attacks began, when host Chris Hayes, according to his own account, had on two guests opposed to the airstrikes in the midnight slot. MSNBC host Brian Williams got into a bit of hot water when he lovingly admired a slick video sent over by the Pentagon showing tomahawk missiles being fired from US navy vessels (FAIR.org, 4/7/17).
CNN’s resident Serious Military Person Lt. Gen Mark Hertling repeated over and over—seemingly on script—that the strikes were “bold, tactical.” CNN’s Fareed Zakaria gushed praise on Trump Friday morning (4/7/17; FAIR.org, 4/7/17), telling host Alisyn Camerota, “I think Donald Trump became president of the United States…. This was a big moment.”
Due to the mostly bipartisan support for the airstrikes, it’s somewhat predictable that corporate media would follow suit. No need to debate the morality or utility of the strikes, because the scene played out per usual: Dictator commits an alleged human rights violation, the media calls on those in power to “do something” and the ticking time bomb compels immediate action, lest we look “weak” on the “global stage.” Anything that deviates from this narrative is given token attention at best.
jiroemon1897 posted:Nice Grey Wolves x Amerikkka collab tees
i-i-i-i-incredable :prais:e
RTC posted:From justifying the millions of Indians starved to death by the British empire, to celebrating Nazi death squads that killed hundreds of thousands in Ukraine, the forums reader should see a pattern emerge.
the pattern being that tankies are compulsive liars
swampman posted:congratulations to panopticon for being the only rhizzone poster who bothers reading the news
my last 2 links in this thread have been a sputnik article and a press release from the OPCW
Panopticon posted:swampman posted:congratulations to panopticon for being the only rhizzone poster who bothers reading the news
my last 2 links in this thread have been a sputnik article and a press release from the OPCW
Sorry, I didn't mean the mainstream press, but extremely legitimate magazines
Guyovich posted:those containers can also carry munitions like cluster bombs, and there are cluster bomb caps in the photos
i just think it's funny how some retard making a sick own about me being a nazi gets 3 times as many upvotes as a legitimate and convincing counter-argument
Panopticon posted:swampman posted:congratulations to panopticon for being the only rhizzone poster who bothers reading the news
my last 2 links in this thread have been a sputnik article and a press release from the OPCW
except it wasn't actually a sputnik article, it was a mystery third party speculating on what might be in a photo published by sputnik
if you're hoping for a receptive audience for your orientalist pro-imperialist nonsense and smug remarks about "tankies", the entire rest of the internet is that-a-way *gestures vaguely towards nearby landfill*
Panopticon posted:i just think it's funny how some retard making a sick own about me being a nazi gets 3 times as many upvotes as a legitimate and convincing counter-argument
because you only show up these days to post weak propaganda and then whine about how nobody respects you as a fellow poster
meanwhile we should follow CNN's approved expert on the conflict, 7 year old Bana
interview here, so compelling
My interview with the famous Syrian girl from Allepo @alabedbana pic.twitter.com/RtR7EQMW4t
— #HANDSOFFSYRIA🇸🇾 (@jnoubae) April 8, 2017
Before the photo was released on Friday, a source told me that Pompeo had personally briefed Trump on April 6 about the CIA’s belief that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was likely not responsible for the lethal poison-gas incident in northern Syria two days earlier — and thus Pompeo was excluded from the larger meeting as Trump reached a contrary decision.
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/08/where-was-cias-pompeo-on-syria/
this loon is taking Empire to the brink of war with a nuclear power because he wants to bomb syria on behalf of isis & alqaeda.
4 more years of this shit, if we live that long
the article finishes with
If so, such a dangerous deception more than anything else we’ve seen in the first two-plus months of the Trump administration would be grounds for impeachment – ignoring the opinion of the U.S. intelligence community so the President could carry out a politically popular (albeit illegal) missile strike that killed Syrians.
good thing the US #resistance has bled so much energy into the endless 'russian-puppet' campaign to hobble actions like that
Panopticon posted:Guyovich posted:those containers can also carry munitions like cluster bombs, and there are cluster bomb caps in the photos
i just think it's funny how some retard
Panopticon posted:i just think it's funny how some retard making a sick own about me being a nazi gets 3 times as many upvotes as a legitimate and convincing counter-argument
no you don't, you're rightly dismayed because you posted a dubious claim and the person you copied it from admitted they were wrong. as everyone else is saying your critique would be engaged with more respect if you still posted anything other than what keeps getting you owned.
xipe posted:a lebanese law professor pointed this out:
This is very important: the ICRC just changed the conflict status in Syria from "internal armed conflict" or civil war (common Article 3 conflict in Geneva Conventions) to "international armed conflict" (common Article 2 conflict). The ICRC is considered the "guardian" of the Geneva Conventions and its commentaries are considered a key source of International Law so this labelling is very significant. Following the US attack on Syria, the ICRC spokesperson declared "Any military operation by a state on the territory of another without the consent of the other amounts to an international armed conflict." As a standard for comparison, Libya was immediately classified as an internal conflict.
I am no expert but I do teach a grad course on the Law of Armed Conflict so here are my preliminary thoughts about the political and legal implications of this: (1) the body of law regulating article 2 conflicts is much wider than article 3 conflicts, affording the Syrian government legal protections it didn't previously enjoy (2) the forces of the Syrian Arab Army will now be treated not only as "lawful combatants" but are also given the "combatant's privilege", "prisoner of war" and "protected persons" status and rights, meaning they can't be tried if they are captured for taking part in hostilities, unlike the rebels who are "unlawful combatants" --even the US-backed ones--as per Article 3 internal conflicts.
This lawful status did not extend to the Taliban's army when it still represented the Afghan state fighting an Article 2 conflict with US invading forces (3) as a "High Contracting Party" to the Conventions, the US is now liable for war crimes too (4) any Syrian response to the US attack, or one carried out by Syria and its allies, (Article 51 of the UN Charter permits "collective self-defense") is now legal (5) most importantly, the Syrian state is politically legitimized as the legal representative of the Syrian people and its sovereignty recognized.
Does Syria still have the NATO officers they captured a few months ago? This changes things for them at least.
xipe posted:the incredible amount of child abuse in the jihad against syria, both in terms of the violence (terror groups groups forcing children to behead prisoners, for example) and the propaganda campaign (such as the CNN endorsement of abuse inflicted on bana) would be a worthwhile angle to analyse the conflict with
this is a really good idea. the use of children as propaganda objects by the west really seems to have matured in the syrian conflict. it seems to coincide perfectly with the current state of media distribution platforms in which these sort of humanitarian memes have gained a lot of currency among liberals who generally don't pay attention to foreign affairs even when they are told to
the children of aleppo etc
aerdil posted:Panopticon posted:Guyovich posted:those containers can also carry munitions like cluster bombs, and there are cluster bomb caps in the photos
i just think it's funny how some retard
someone photoshop quotations from chairman mao tse-tung onto this
insta_gramsci posted:xipe posted:the incredible amount of child abuse in the jihad against syria, both in terms of the violence (terror groups groups forcing children to behead prisoners, for example) and the propaganda campaign (such as the CNN endorsement of abuse inflicted on bana) would be a worthwhile angle to analyse the conflict with
this is a really good idea. the use of children as propaganda objects by the west really seems to have matured in the syrian conflict. it seems to coincide perfectly with the current state of media distribution platforms in which these sort of humanitarian memes have gained a lot of currency among liberals who generally don't pay attention to foreign affairs even when they are told to
the children of aleppo etc
Here's a couple of interviews with real syrian and Yemeni children expressing themselves.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154747984122800&id=751412799
By contrast look at what these monsters are making bana do:
Another incident that springs to mind is terrorists propping a confused child into an ambulance as a prop and hordes of photographers taking pictures.
The photographer who got the best shot won some photo of 2016 for it; he coincidentally takes selfies with men who behead children.
The cnn presenter broke down in tears in camera when she first showed the photo.
A few years earlier she blamed the kids killed in gaza by Israel for making themselves voluntary human shields
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=3&x_outlet=14&x_article=2767
One way of categorising some of this is with a hash tag so it can be pulled together later.
For example after the jimmy Savile inquiry in Britain #opdeatheaters was used, and has been applied to the Israeli war on Palestinian children.
Another aspect of the abuse is jihadi cubs phenomenon.
1/3 isis suicide bombers in March were children, mostly yezidi kids who they had kidnapped.
I don't know whether or not the moderate terrorists use and abuse of children has reached that level tho
xipe posted:There is a dark mystery behind the White House-released photo showing President Trump and more than a dozen advisers meeting at his estate in Mar-a-Lago after his decision to strike Syria with Tomahawk missiles: Where are CIA Director Mike Pompeo and other top intelligence officials?
Before the photo was released on Friday, a source told me that Pompeo had personally briefed Trump on April 6 about the CIA’s belief that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was likely not responsible for the lethal poison-gas incident in northern Syria two days earlier — and thus Pompeo was excluded from the larger meeting as Trump reached a contrary decision.
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/08/where-was-cias-pompeo-on-syria/this loon is taking Empire to the brink of war with a nuclear power because he wants to bomb syria on behalf of isis & alqaeda.
4 more years of this shit, if we live that long
Hmmm this guy has a CIA inside source? I don't know.
His story in his own words is here, note they have a bunch of ex cia guys writing for them
https://consortiumnews.com/about/
Lol make a guess who criticises him tho...
Unfortunately for Parry, his accusation is entirely unfounded, and reveals his lack of investigative skill when it comes to this kind of open source information. Had Parry spent a few minutes on Google he could have easily found Bellingcat’s work on the video, and realised his error.
Robert Parry is part of a cadre of investigative journalists who have put themselves at the disposal of the Kremlin on the matters of Syria and/or Ukraine. Like Walter Duranty who justified Stalin’s policies to NY Times readers in the 1930s, we see Parry, Seymour Hersh and Robert Fisk using journalistic tricks of the trade to make Putin seem like an innocent victim of a worldwide conspiracy involving the CIA, NATO, George Soros-type NGO’s, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, NY Times op-ed writers, and other miscreants