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Condolences on your repressed trauma
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le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

to be fair most catholics nowadays don't attend services in latin, rather they're done in the local language. it merely took them one thousand years to make this change



I mean, some Catholics became violent reactionaries who split off from the church because they don't say mass in latin, a change that was made in the 1960s and not, for example, any year after like 200 AD. But by and large Catholics dont care about the latin thing and midway through the mass the priest has to sing even if he cant, which is funny.

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i really like going to laotian mass with my girlfriend because the laotian part is all done by a layperson and the english-speaking priest just sort of sits at the back on a big throne and sometimes falls asleep and i wanna be like 'hey... buddy... you're never gonna make bishop that way'
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cars posted:

New Evangelicals are still weird to me...


these cousins i mentioned were literally radicalised at university. They all went off to uni being regular sunday church attending protestants (which is pretty unusual here), but they all joined the christian union at university and after thr33 years of indoctrenation by whatever MKULTRA shit they do in the CU, came out as soldiers of christ impatient to convert the damned heathens or else put them to the sword (extrapolation).

One of them has become a missionary and is aparently somewhere in north africa telling muslims they are all going to hell if they don't convert to imperialism christianity

At my other cousins wedding, at the meal bit, i went to chat to the new husband and congratulate him yadda yadda, and said some bs platitudes and he was all like "what did you enjoy about the wedding?" etc etc and before i new it the little bitch was trying to convert me at he own damn wedding, and that was after having to sit through this cousin talking about how it was her holy duty to honour god by obeying teh man and warming his bed. anyway i induldged in extreme liberalism to maintain family harmony and escaped to the bar to dmtd

families eh XD, hail satan

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i'd say stay in touch with holy duty in the bed cousin and show some patience because she's going to need some help & sympathy when she wants out of that situation in a few years, especially if kids are involved at that point. New Evangelist / fundamentalist sects that militant have an entire hope-crushing game they run on women where she will be informed by all her closest friends that she is responsible for anything the husband does out of anger, but having even one person pumping in fresh air from the outside can make all the difference because a lot of that game works by implying that the survivor has already alienated everyone she knew before her current life
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Genuine Catholics, i.e. the ones who hold to Catholic doctrines and go to church, welcome and celebrate conversion. Lapsed Catholics just see it as a peculiar ethnic thing they were born into, and instead identify themselves with other, more secular ideologies.
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cars posted:

i'd say stay in touch with holy duty in the bed cousin and show some patience because she's going to need some help & sympathy when she wants out of that situation in a few years, especially if kids are involved at that point. New Evangelist / fundamentalist sects that militant have an entire hope-crushing game they run on women where she will be informed by all her closest friends that she is responsible for anything the husband does out of anger, but having even one person pumping in fresh air from the outside can make all the difference because a lot of that game works by implying that the survivor has already alienated everyone she knew before her current life


...i...haven't spokken since the wedding....we...were never close....cut my life...into peices

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grumblefish i'm glad you're posting again but it's still kind of rude in 2017 to assume people don't go to church. The Eucharist is food for the hungry & those who who have fallen away from receiving it in reconciliation become our responsibility, not our enemy.
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tears posted:

...i...haven't spokken since the wedding....we...were never close....cut my life...into peices



i mean i guess i'm suggesting you do something difficult, even if it's just reaching out every few months to ask how the person is doing, but also maybe it's something good for you as well...? it's your call, i just have seen similar situations play out in the U.S. and i came to see the studied ineffectiveness of certain methods of proselytization as a weapon wielded against those pushed to practice it, that it's not really about spreading the faith or even bringing new people into the sect but about binding people to earthly leaders and their exercise of power by convincing them to push others away. but it can strengthen your own capacity for hope to provide it to others and everyone can benefit from that i think. gl to your fam

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tank you cars, i now feel really bad for not talking to my cousin for a long time, this guilt will galvanise me 2 action, i hope & pray, now, what other personal and family problems can this place help me iwth
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tears posted:

anyway i induldged in extreme liberalism to maintain family harmony and escaped to the bar to dmtd

families eh XD, hail satan



I'm pouring one out for all the comrades who indulge in liberalism in pursuit of family harmony

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le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

comprehensive list of legitimate reasons to convert to a religion

1. to marry someone
2. to not be killed



for spiritual fulfillment & existential salvation that comes with a personal relationship with a loving, caring, God

i mean, it's p nice if you ask me

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persecuting christians isn't really a good way to own them i hope you know
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The_Boourns_Identity posted:

persecuting christians isn't really a good way to own them i hope you know



i, too, am concerned about the treatment of canadian christians and their oppression on the rHizzonE

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The_Boourns_Identity posted:

persecuting christians isn't really a good way to own them i hope you know



dude..

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haha boorns, i'm not even completely against your general viewpoint, but you kind of have a bad way of expressing it. all these people are not really enemies, they're naturally suspicious of anyone touting the benefits of religion, and i think you have to agree that organised religion, and especially catholicism, have had negative effects towards the development of socialism.
however, and this is why i'm somewhat sympathetic to you, the early basis of socialism was very tied to christians trying to live more like christ. i believe i've even read lenin say that jesus and his disciples were revolutionary in mindset and action, but he also said that christianity has been corrupted by the ages, as it was adopted by the powerful, and they used it to their own ends. however, those early attempts were failures, because they lacked the material understanding that marxism brings.
at the end of the day, most of these people are marxists and socialists already, so converting them towards religion is a waste of time. even if there is a basis in catholicism that would make them easier to convert to supporting socialism, it doesn't apply to most of the posters here. though you may get strength from your faith, these people have decided they don't need it. much like converting people towards socialism, arguments in good faith are not necessarily the best way, because people don't like hearing that what they believe is wrong.
continuing to promote socialism at your church (if you go) is both cool and good, but trying to convert people here is kind of a bad idea. by all means, mention things that you think would help socialists (i'm even thinking of cribbing your things socialists can learn from christianity, but trust me, they would be very much different points than yours), but don't do it whilst promoting christianity.
at the end of the day, socialists are already motivated by love and intelligence to help others, they don't need religion on top of that.
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im going to be nice and not talk about the content of your post.. the answer is that christians are not persecuted here because usually one of them is mod of the forum. also that youre responding to someone who isnt a catholic.

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on christianity & faith: if we in the West werent so busy deciding on what people from the cradle of civilisation* need to do to be allowed to exist, we could probably learn a thing or 2 from them

a bolivian actress in Damascus at the moment chatted with this christian who prays with his brother muslims


the grand mufti (highest religious official) of syria has lead christian mass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtD3pkWL8Fo




"Mufti Hassoun calls his Greek Orthodox counterpart, Bishop Luca al-Khoury, his cousin and brother. “Our grandfathers, 1,400 years ago, were one family. My grandfather embraced Islam and his remained Christian.” He maintains that he, as Grand Mufti, serves the Syrian people, period. “In Syria, there are 23 million Christians, and 23 million Muslims. My title is Grand Mufti of the Syrian Arab Republic, not the Mufti of a particular denomination.”
https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2015/03/16/report-43586/

"We do not believe, in our region, in the multiplicity of religions", said the Grand Mufti. "Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohamed came with one single religion". Therefore "there is no holy war, because a war can never be holy: it is peace that is holy."

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+IM-PRESS+20080111BRI18238+ITEM-005-EN+DOC+XML+V0//EN

Lastly the president said "The fact that the Grand Mufti has been accompanied here today by senior religious leaders offers clear evidence of that successful coexistence". Before starting his own speech, the Grand Mufti took the hand of Bishop Antoine Odo, President of the Chaldean Bishops of Syria, and together the two men faced the assembled MEPs, who responded with a warm round of applause.

mufti hassouin was well received when he spoke at the european parliament in 2008 as the first speaker they chose in a series for the 'European Year of Intercultural Dialogue' ... since the jihad began he (and everyone associated with the syrian government) has been denied visas to the EU & US


in contrast, this handsome gent is saudi grand mufti. last year he declared shia are not muslims and the year before that he called for all churches on the arabian peninsula to be demolished.



the seeds for clash of civilisations planted decades ago are bearing fruit, and we accept the saudi version of islam but not the syrian?
destroying the last tolerant secular multi-religious state in the middle east is vital to that grand project.

even devout american christian soldiers can see why its worth saving
https://levantreport.com/2014/01/19/one-marines-view-keep-syria-secular-pluralistic-and-free-of-foreign-insurgents/

* “I told them, ‘We have baths which are over 1,000 years old and still functioning. I studied Shelley: they didn’t have baths 800 years ago in England. We did, we were having baths and coffee,’” she relates with a laugh. “Stop calling for us to be civilized. We are civilized!” Dr. Bouthaina Shaaban
https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2015/03/16/report-43586/
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PS the first PAGE of results in Google for the grand muftis name is articles headlined "mufti denies atrocities" and "mufti accused of terrorism" because that's all western newspapers ask this man or they ask muslim brotherhood clerics to give their opinion on him.

You'd have to dig a bit deeper to find that Qatar offered him millions to defect in 2011 and when he refused, moderate rebels murdered his 22 year old son on the steps of aleppo university.

At his sons funeral the mufti forgave his sons killers and asked for peace.
Not to be unfortunately, as the moderate rebels then dug up his sons body, which has never been recovered.
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xipe posted:

on christianity & faith: if we in the West werent so busy deciding on what people from the cradle of civilisation* need to do to be allowed to exist, we could probably learn a thing or 2 from them



right... reminder: https://www.rhizzone.net/forum/topic/13954/

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biblical watermarks....
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ilmdge posted:

Condolences



mods??

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The White House press secretary keeps admitting out loud that the goal of the U.S. government is to "destabilize Syria" and "destabilize the region" haha whoops!!

Maybe the biggest issue with both the press & intelligence agencies for the Trump administration is how its people keep repeating the inside lines as outside lines. OTOH it's maybe good that i can now shut down people who called me a conspiracy theorist for suggesting that was U.S. policy by posting a single link to an official statement from the people responsible for carrying it out.
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loving the "it doesn't mean anything no matter how much he says it he just has aphasia or something" take on this
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another take is he doesn't know what "destabilize" means and that's why he repeated it in multiple interviews in ways that prove it wasn't a momentary slip of the tongue and it's like folks, no matter how dumb he is, a native English speaker probably knows what putting that prefix before a verb usually means
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on top of that why would he say that over and over if he didn't think it was a line he was supposed to say, no one with his job comes up with those sorts of lines on their own, he heard it said a few times in some meetings somewhere and either he mistakenly thought it was something he should tell to the press or, less likely, the administration really thought that would fly and now wants to walk it back... my guess is that Trump's admin lets the wrong people attend meetings all the time because of the nebulous "i'm important" job descriptions everyone seems to have
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he really keeps saying 'destabilize' geez
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/04/the-flip-flop-president/522840/

trump has changed position on everything lol
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He's an amerikkkan president
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look. it's about deals. and i have got some deals.
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le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/04/the-flip-flop-president/522840/trump has changed position on everything lol



so now hes not racist and actually will tear down the portions of the wall that already exist? nice

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There's three walls in San Diego and it's the pilot for the Trump Wall. The city will be nothing but wall in a decade or two
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TG posted:

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/04/the-flip-flop-president/522840/trump has changed position on everything lol

so now hes not racist and actually will tear down the portions of the wall that already exist? nice



Hes reverse racist (dark racist or "whitecrusher") and hes still building the wall but its going to point inwards

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trump's proposed tax plan is making everybody freak out and of course it's shit. but it's more or less what he promised, which is why the whole "flipping conservatives to hillary" thing was always doomed. what do you think these people cared more about, donald trump insulting a disabled person or their taxes being cut? a new lexus a year makes "donald trump said a mean thing about rosie o'donell" go down real smooth
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earlier today i was like "i should look up what day hillary collapsed so i could see how twitter was reacting" but then i remembered it was 9/11 lol