of course the answer is yes and we should have a basic expectation that our society is constructed in a way that doesn't treat people as literal garbage, rather than forcing Dying Louis The Baby With Cancer to compete with iphones on the market powered only through intense guilt-tripping.
there is an intense feedback loop of very vocal people yelling about the fact that their identity has caused every problem in their lives getting adopted by liberal discourse to say that everything is fine. the only issue is that we treat some people unfairly because we consciously or unconsciously don't like them enough, and not because we live in a system built to grind every single person down and extract everything you can from them. i feel like there is a tiny backlash starting but it's difficult to tell among all the noise and i'm not sure it isn't just old people being old. (i may be old already.)
drcat posted:the way you describe it reminds me of the emergency problem, idk if there's a proper name for it. the ridiculous liberal self-comfort idea that the only thing to be done to improve the conditions in, and relations with, people in the third world is by shovelling money at them, treating situations as though they are emergencies. help the starving children, they need your help now, little Dzokhar is dying in front of you or whatever. the ads in the London tube are good for this, they just slap up a grotesquely enlarged picture of emaciated african babies. actually they do this now for cancer, too, or various other things. "doesn't Louis deserve help?!?!"
of course the answer is yes and we should have a basic expectation that our society is constructed in a way that doesn't treat people as literal garbage, rather than forcing Dying Louis The Baby With Cancer to compete with iphones on the market powered only through intense guilt-tripping.
there is an intense feedback loop of very vocal people yelling about the fact that their identity has caused every problem in their lives getting adopted by liberal discourse to say that everything is fine. the only issue is that we treat some people unfairly because we consciously or unconsciously don't like them enough, and not because we live in a system built to grind every single person down and extract everything you can from them. i feel like there is a tiny backlash starting but it's difficult to tell among all the noise and i'm not sure it isn't just old people being old. (i may be old already.)
don't say it grinds "every single person down". were your family slaves and suffer intergenerational trauma? are they homeless? do they work for $4 an hour with no health care? come on, there are hierarchies to the working class that aren't solvable by magic wand, and don't you dare shame people for encouraging themselves based around shared experiences and culture based on some Bullshit pseudo Marxist politcs
Keven posted:How do I get the job where I research oppressed women of color & teach a poetry class on my own poetry
by doing more awful monotone podcasts analyzing stupid crap no one cares about
animedad posted:drcat posted:the way you describe it reminds me of the emergency problem, idk if there's a proper name for it. the ridiculous liberal self-comfort idea that the only thing to be done to improve the conditions in, and relations with, people in the third world is by shovelling money at them, treating situations as though they are emergencies. help the starving children, they need your help now, little Dzokhar is dying in front of you or whatever. the ads in the London tube are good for this, they just slap up a grotesquely enlarged picture of emaciated african babies. actually they do this now for cancer, too, or various other things. "doesn't Louis deserve help?!?!"
of course the answer is yes and we should have a basic expectation that our society is constructed in a way that doesn't treat people as literal garbage, rather than forcing Dying Louis The Baby With Cancer to compete with iphones on the market powered only through intense guilt-tripping.
there is an intense feedback loop of very vocal people yelling about the fact that their identity has caused every problem in their lives getting adopted by liberal discourse to say that everything is fine. the only issue is that we treat some people unfairly because we consciously or unconsciously don't like them enough, and not because we live in a system built to grind every single person down and extract everything you can from them. i feel like there is a tiny backlash starting but it's difficult to tell among all the noise and i'm not sure it isn't just old people being old. (i may be old already.)don't say it grinds "every single person down". were your family slaves and suffer intergenerational trauma? are they homeless? do they work for $4 an hour with no health care? come on, there are hierarchies to the working class that aren't solvable by magic wand, and don't you dare shame people for encouraging themselves based around shared experiences and culture based on some Bullshit pseudo Marxist politcs
drcat posted:the way you describe it reminds me of the emergency problem, idk if there's a proper name for it. the ridiculous liberal self-comfort idea that the only thing to be done to improve the conditions in, and relations with, people in the third world is by shovelling money at them, treating situations as though they are emergencies. help the starving children, they need your help now, little Dzokhar is dying in front of you or whatever. the ads in the London tube are good for this, they just slap up a grotesquely enlarged picture of emaciated african babies. actually they do this now for cancer, too, or various other things. "doesn't Louis deserve help?!?!"
of course the answer is yes and we should have a basic expectation that our society is constructed in a way that doesn't treat people as literal garbage, rather than forcing Dying Louis The Baby With Cancer to compete with iphones on the market powered only through intense guilt-tripping.
there is an intense feedback loop of very vocal people yelling about the fact that their identity has caused every problem in their lives getting adopted by liberal discourse to say that everything is fine. the only issue is that we treat some people unfairly because we consciously or unconsciously don't like them enough, and not because we live in a system built to grind every single person down and extract everything you can from them. i feel like there is a tiny backlash starting but it's difficult to tell among all the noise and i'm not sure it isn't just old people being old. (i may be old already.)
babyhueypnewton posted:I don't understand how academics can study oppressed people while they are part of this scam we've turned college into. At least I get the ones who study the noble savage tribes in the Amazon because they've just upgraded imperialism with today's proper liberalism. If you write about oppression of women of color while you have an army of graduate student slaves and loathe your undergrads because they don't properly appreciate paying 60k to read your poetry and you reject research from adjuncts because they are lesser human beings how do you live with yourself?
I KNOW RIGHT? That's literally all liberal and even some self-proclaimed Marxist academics. Simultaneously, we talk very less about how institutional brand names keep this dishonesty alive. The only reason I haven't asked this to my profs is because they would start hating me forever. I already refuse to show their new grad students around or lie about how the campus is.
real cool ironicists post liek this.
animedad posted:drcat posted:the way you describe it reminds me of the emergency problem, idk if there's a proper name for it. the ridiculous liberal self-comfort idea that the only thing to be done to improve the conditions in, and relations with, people in the third world is by shovelling money at them, treating situations as though they are emergencies. help the starving children, they need your help now, little Dzokhar is dying in front of you or whatever. the ads in the London tube are good for this, they just slap up a grotesquely enlarged picture of emaciated african babies. actually they do this now for cancer, too, or various other things. "doesn't Louis deserve help?!?!"
of course the answer is yes and we should have a basic expectation that our society is constructed in a way that doesn't treat people as literal garbage, rather than forcing Dying Louis The Baby With Cancer to compete with iphones on the market powered only through intense guilt-tripping.
there is an intense feedback loop of very vocal people yelling about the fact that their identity has caused every problem in their lives getting adopted by liberal discourse to say that everything is fine. the only issue is that we treat some people unfairly because we consciously or unconsciously don't like them enough, and not because we live in a system built to grind every single person down and extract everything you can from them. i feel like there is a tiny backlash starting but it's difficult to tell among all the noise and i'm not sure it isn't just old people being old. (i may be old already.)don't say it grinds "every single person down". were your family slaves and suffer intergenerational trauma? are they homeless? do they work for $4 an hour with no health care? come on, there are hierarchies to the working class that aren't solvable by magic wand, and don't you dare shame people for encouraging themselves based around shared experiences and culture based on some Bullshit pseudo Marxist politcs
i'm not quite sure what you're getting at, but that seems like a very uncharitable reading of cat admin's post. i know you're not a very active poster, and i may be off base, but your posts remind of pink ninja's before he had a mental breakdown. anyways, i hope i'm wrong and you're doing okay.
babyhueypnewton posted:
theres something related to this ive been thinking of but i dont know how to develop it into an argument. basically i think its intuitive and also bears out empirically, or at least anecdotally, that conditions radicalize and talk doesn't, or can't. like you can't really crack t he liberalism of someone who acts as a middle management crony for the first world military overlords, which is basically the whole USA and anyone else behind first world borders. this fantasy of a mass popular movement based on the timely intervention of rational discourse upon the first world worker before we're all in too deep seems like its just never going to materialize, like we're all waiting for militant resistance abroad to absorb enough bombs and stretch imperialist occupations to their breaking point so we can finally turn the valve on cheap imports and foreign labor and get on with starving the beast but that concievably just wont happen either or wont happen before the situation turns nuclear and disintegrates whatever parts of the globes aren't rendered uninhabitable by ecological catastrophe
theres almost no avenue in this environment that leads to a real left movement at home except for this kind of liberal triage of charity, volunteerism, tiny cultural victories won along intersectional lines, and so on. its that or drinking yourself to death
i've been trying to sort out my own political consciousness for over a decade and i still can't think of anything further to say
kamelred posted:theres almost no avenue in this environment that leads to a real left movement at home except for this kind of liberal triage of charity, volunteerism, tiny cultural victories won along intersectional lines, and so on. its that or drinking yourself to death
i think a big part of marxist organizing, ime, is going out and trying to build towards movements that are worth having. you dont really get dramatic returns but its better than waiting for the apocalypse in despair
I mean "worst" in a material sense and not a moral sense
Petrol posted:i was watching one of the imperialist tv news services, al jazeera i think, and they were talking about how israel restricts who can go into gaza, and they interviewed someone from HRW based in johannesburg who complained about the real pressing issue, which was that human rights workers weren't allowed in. that's kind of what academic social justice talk sounds like to me
lol fuckin A. And with HRW's complaints there's the implication that their job in Gaza is to "also" address Hamas' abuses, rather than to focus upon Israel's infinitely greater abuses and culpability for the whole Bantustan situation. Both Sides Are Wrong "progressive" academic speak, as you said.
Which can be simple semantic exercises even. Or silent things - like make more people read something and stop giving false hopes. I recently read 'Darker Nations' by Vijay Prashad and the non-aligned nations were ballers!
They stood up to first world countries in 50s and 60s. But I personally feel slightly sedated, bruised and crazy when I realize I am agreeing with a group that has no stake in changing my conditions. In principle they are all liberals or even leftists but especially most americans today have no idea what it feels like for communism to not be a bad word. That's because they only read american history.
c_man posted:kamelred posted:theres almost no avenue in this environment that leads to a real left movement at home except for this kind of liberal triage of charity, volunteerism, tiny cultural victories won along intersectional lines, and so on. its that or drinking yourself to death
i think a big part of marxist organizing, ime, is going out and trying to build towards movements that are worth having. you dont really get dramatic returns but its better than waiting for the apocalypse in despair
c_man posted:more relevant to the OP, one thing ive been thinking about more is the extent to which you need to already need to know what people in charge have decided that they want to hear in order to have any access to institutional resources. seminars on grant writing, invited speakers from funding agencies, that sort of thing
tears posted:you downvoted my sincere and friendly greeting to a new poster, gonna need an detailed explenation asap, my heart is racing because of this, please consider the trauma downvotes can cause
If you're being sincere in calling me severely mentall ill i'm going to start sleeping ont he streets in your city, stalk you and put poison in your water. While also killing other homeless in a pentagram shape that centers on your house so suspicion later falls on you in the wikipedia of the crime. If anything most people here are severely mentally better
swampman posted:tears posted:
you downvoted my sincere and friendly greeting to a new poster, gonna need an detailed explenation asap, my heart is racing because of this, please consider the trauma downvotes can cause
If you're being sincere in calling me severely mentall ill i'm going to start sleeping ont he streets in your city, stalk you and put poison in your water. While also killing other homeless in a pentagram shape that centers on your house so suspicion later falls on you in the wikipedia of the crime. If anything most people here are severely mentally better
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downvoted for both not admitting to your own and all of our mental illnesses, and for casually assuming that all homeless people are mentally ill
animedad posted:don't say it grinds "every single person down". were your family slaves and suffer intergenerational trauma? are they homeless? do they work for $4 an hour with no health care? come on, there are hierarchies to the working class that aren't solvable by magic wand, and don't you dare shame people for encouraging themselves based around shared experiences and culture based on some Bullshit pseudo Marxist politcs
i wish you would post more again Anime father
tears posted:you downvoted my sincere and friendly greeting to a new poster, gonna need an detailed explenation asap, my heart is racing because of this, please consider the trauma downvotes can cause
swampman seeks to harden us for the coming war... he's not wrong.
why aren't you taking free money every chance you get?