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getfiscal posted:How is babby?
Formed.
swampman posted:Baby advice:
Good advice. An irl mate, who also happens to be a red, recently had a baby also. The mothers like to joke about how we will indoctrinate them as communists from an early age. We laugh along with this joke but then immediately catch each other's gaze and share a meaningful smirk. The revolution is in safe, but extremely small, hands.
so for those of you keeping score at home, that's "thirdplace trying to submit court orders relating to domestic abuse that occurred less then three years ago": 0, "redneck judge doing his own research based on what he saw on the morning news": 1
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thirdplace posted:10 days ago i had the worst hearing of my life. went in planning on basing most of my argument on the fact that I had documents relating to the opposing party's abuse of both my client and their shared child in a previous (child protection action). but then the judge sustained an objection based on their "irrelevance," found my client in contempt, and ordered her to pay attorneys fees. as a hail mary i submitted evidence relating to the fact that my client and her two kids are at 50% of the federal poverty guideline so maybe she could at least get more than a month and a half to pay the fees? but nope, no go, based in part of the fact that "On the date of this Order, a media story indicated Wisconsin's total payroll employment number of people working is at the highest level in recorded state history. The overall unemployment rate of 3.9% is the lowest in many years."
so for those of you keeping score at home, that's "thirdplace trying to submit court orders relating to domestic abuse that occurred less then three years ago": 0, "redneck judge doing his own research based on what he saw on the morning news": 1
imagine someone's life riding on if evilweasel watched tv that morning
roseweird posted:don't quit your job thirdplace and definitely don't EVER learn sql
Anyhoo, I'm declaring this thread a success, because I went outside, and even secured a low-paying job in a field with no future employment prospects.
thirdplace posted:10 days ago i had the worst hearing of my life. went in planning on basing most of my argument on the fact that I had documents relating to the opposing party's abuse of both my client and their shared child in a previous (child protection action). but then the judge sustained an objection based on their "irrelevance," found my client in contempt, and ordered her to pay attorneys fees. as a hail mary i submitted evidence relating to the fact that my client and her two kids are at 50% of the federal poverty guideline so maybe she could at least get more than a month and a half to pay the fees? but nope, no go, based in part a uncited reference to a "media story" about the unemployment rate
so for those of you keeping score at home, that's "thirdplace trying to submit court orders relating to domestic abuse that occurred less then three years ago": 0, "redneck judge doing his own research based on what he saw on the morning news": 1
what's the main things that hold people/you from appealing? is it just shitloads of work time to do that?
thirdplace posted:well, it's not a final order; interlocutory appeals are uphill battles at the best of times. plus, the most I could hope for is overruling the determination to keep out the old child-abuse stuff; the rest is pretty much just discretionary judgments of the evidence that it's almost impossible to overrule (especially when the third old white man one a first name basis with everyone else in the courtroom, the GAL, was basically in agreement). they'd then remand down to the same judge who would undoubtedly make the same decision. plus, yeah, lots of time and money.
if the child abuse stuff isn't excluded and the judgment is the same, is there not a wide variety of precedent that abusing your child means you don't get to have them anymore that the judge would then be ignoring and justifying in whatever bullshit handwaving way that would not stand up to review? i'm not telling you how to do your job, i'm just mentioning these things because i'm curious what the reality is. are appeals restricted only to errors of law and not errors of discretionary judgment or "balance of the evidence"s or whatever?
i mean i saw on the tv that justice is always served.
getfiscal posted:Anyhoo, I'm declaring this thread a success, because I went outside, and even secured a low-paying job in a field with no future employment prospects.
it can seem like wishful thinking to treat something other than already being connected in that sort of field as anything but a crapshoot but while i don't know anything about what poli sci means in canadian terms, i do know that you're head and shoulders above most u.s. students at least in terms of knowledge and reasoning ability, as well as your power to demonstrate that in writing through clear communication, so keep that in mind at least... gl
thirdplace posted:you can definitely appeal evidentiary determinations, it's just a very high burden. also, in family law, the GAL recommendation carries a ton of weight on those and like I said he wasn't really with us on this one. there are favorable presumptions related to domestic abuse, but they don't apply to (nominally) supervised visitation, just primary placement.
ahh I had to look up GAL. thanks
Petrol posted:the adversarial trial system is absurd at best and tragic at worst
the #1 thing I got out of my time as a law clerk was that when both parties are pro-se (or when the attorneys who are there are so far out of their elements that they don't count), good judges transition to a de facto inquisitorial system while shitty ones stick to what they were taught
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