aerdil posted:house democrats' strategy is basically this: they'll make noise about dumb bullshit that doesn't matter; and on other issues that actually do matter, they'll get out of the way and let racists and reactionaries murder people and get rich doing it
dont mess with sucess
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:deadken recently tweeted a pretty thing where the joke is that today's Alt-Right Gamer thinks he is the ubermensch, but a real fascist society would not treat him that way. this is a pretty common argument to eugenicists, fascists of all stripes, etc., but it doesn't paint the whole picture. yes, some really think they would be better off under open white supremacy, but other themes in reactionary belief are the heroic self-sacrifice, the nobility of fighting the lost cause. so maybe the shiftless and superfluous flyover cracker wouldn't have his life materially improved by fascism; they'd probably put him on the front lines and it's doubtful that they'd make him prime breeding stock. but even if he accepts this premise it wouldn't necessarily dissuade him. you're forgetting about his spite, his acceptance of self-destruction if it means his enemies get it worse.
the line "in a real fourth reich you'll be the first to go" isn't meant for the nazi punks themselves, it's a warning to anyone else thinking about joining them
Now we go nuclear. IC war going to new levels. Just got an EM fm senior IC friend, it began: "He will die in jail."https://t.co/e6FxCclVqT
— John Schindler (@20committee) February 15, 2017
cars posted:i wonder if any "democratic socialists" have realized yet that this is a 100% accurate preview of what would happen if a socialist were ever elected U.S. president, only they likely wouldn't bother appending "in jail"
This situation kind of makes me wonder if Sanders had won, though no threat to imperial policy, if the CIA would have gone full war plan white in such an event. My guess is they'll just try to frame Trump for an impeachable offense and get Pence in office. Not that I doubt the CIA wouldn't start following a strategy of high tension in response to a left wing upsurge; I just doubt that they'll be willing to pull the trigger on american gladio this early in the game.
cars posted:Now we go nuclear. IC war going to new levels. Just got an EM fm senior IC friend, it began: "He will die in jail."https://t.co/e6FxCclVqT
— John Schindler (@20committee) February 15, 2017
This person is not a valid source for anything
Populares posted:This situation kind of makes me wonder if Sanders had won, though no threat to imperial policy, if the CIA would have gone full war plan white in such an event
maybe but i said a socialist.
cars posted:Populares posted:This situation kind of makes me wonder if Sanders had won, though no threat to imperial policy, if the CIA would have gone full war plan white in such an event
maybe but i said a socialist.
A fair point, either way the whole thing seems like a bizarre liberal fantasy where they're saved from their ineptitude by the deep state.
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:even if he accepts this premise it wouldn't necessarily dissuade him. you're forgetting about his spite, his acceptance of self-destruction if it means his enemies get it worse.
My limited interactions with some altright trolls makes me think they know they are wrong. They are entirely products of the contemporary liberal culture, which they deeply accept at a certain level, but then antagonize people with those beliefs in order to force confrontations that are like a rock bottom equivalent of a relationship. Like how parents say that sometimes kids think that any attention is good attention. If they attack feminism and it forces some sort of obvious reaction then I think there is this underlying fantasy that they will be confronted and corrected. And they are sometimes confronted but they never get corrected. But it doesn't happen and this actually reinforces the belief. I sincerely doubt most altright people actually care about immigrants or whatever even a little. These are the same types of people who get insanely mad about Shia being alive in Syria, it's just a stupid show.
getfiscal posted:My limited interactions with some altright trolls makes me think they know they are wrong. They are entirely products of the contemporary liberal culture, which they deeply accept at a certain level, but then antagonize people with those beliefs in order to force confrontations that are like a rock bottom equivalent of a relationship. Like how parents say that sometimes kids think that any attention is good attention. If they attack feminism and it forces some sort of obvious reaction then I think there is this underlying fantasy that they will be confronted and corrected.
per the media they consume they deep down believe that a woman or maybe a man will come along to force them to admit they are wrong and retrain them like a misbehaving housepet and then marry them forever. it's not below conscious thought either, i think almost anyone could easily catfish most of them into admitting this is their fantasy
getfiscal posted:Well goat I had an argument with an altright guy in real life yesterday and I could tell he didn't actually believe anything he was saying, he just said it because he thought it was a way to be annoying in a self-serving way. Don't ask me how I know what that's like.
even some liberals do the same thing when they hear someone is a communist. at least if u want to give them the credit that they are just being knowingly annoying and not completely serious when they say classic cliches like "what about human nature" "yeah it works great on paper but not in practice"
Bablu posted:the human nature canard is one i like because i've been training for that one since i was a little baby commie
What's your go-to rebuttal?
cars posted:getfiscal posted:
My limited interactions with some altright trolls makes me think they know they are wrong. They are entirely products of the contemporary liberal culture, which they deeply accept at a certain level, but then antagonize people with those beliefs in order to force confrontations that are like a rock bottom equivalent of a relationship. Like how parents say that sometimes kids think that any attention is good attention. If they attack feminism and it forces some sort of obvious reaction then I think there is this underlying fantasy that they will be confronted and corrected.
per the media they consume they deep down believe that a woman or maybe a man will come along to force them to admit they are wrong and retrain them like a misbehaving housepet and then marry them forever. it's not below conscious thought either, i think almost anyone could easily catfish most of them into admitting this is their fantasy
Rhizzone Project idea if I ever heard one
cars posted:in my experience many people compelled to actively defend capitalism instead of just looking confused Pelosi-style when it's attacked have already begun a staring match with their alienated condition & supplement standard enlightenment-style ideology with harder-to-defend delusions such as new atheism. imo they should be cultivated as potential communists
This post made me think about the arguments I've had with my brother in a new way and actually helped me to love him more 
- bless you. I think I can flip him to our side yet.
Belphegor posted:Rhizzone Project idea if I ever heard one
catfishing is how deadken broke into professional essay writing but it's also immoral.
Keven posted:I think it's true that a lot of young ppls political views are their search for a new daddy in town - a discipline daddy. But they just need to learn about history's ultimate daddy, Joseph Stalin.
Good point, but it's actually God.
