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whats the deal with this person. is this the chick that tried to get disciplines life ruined or whatever. is this person CIA

i see stuff alluded to but no one explains anything i havent read all the necessary twitter threads. anyone wanna redpill me on this subject (ironic use of the red pill meme
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https://manyfesto.org/2014/07/15/the-weaponized-naked-girl/

piss posted:

is this person CIA



You never know whether someone you meet is a CIA agent or just a product of CIA thought.

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Mike Nelson here.
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Molly is an artist who works within the American activist milieu. She gained microcelebrity status after OWS. Accordingly she was widely attacked by both reasonable people with legitimate critiques and the ocean of online people with severe personality disorders. Naturally, as we all do, she conflated the two. In response she harbored grudges against some of her critics and got them fired. In her mind, of course, she is simply naming and shaming abusers. In a way, the great deceiver makes us all think we are right, and plays off our vanity to create such discord. Knowing this, we invite Molly to create an account here and focus on the common enemy: McDonald's and its ridiculous cyclical McRib policy.
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it's a waste of time debating whether or not shills for empire are CIA puppets or just hangers-on, the ends are the same and we should devote our energy to debunking them imo
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shes a CIA puppet
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Dont Mess With Sucess
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"Molly Crabapple" wrote a big, "check out this sexy internet hunk!" type essay about "famous" internet user "weev," who is a neo-Nazi. When Crabapple later claimed she'd been unaware of weev's political leanings at press time, weev contradicted that. just one of those innocent mistakes you can never seem to live down online I guess.
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her real name is Molly Klein
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"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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tfw you go out of your way to start a twitter beef with someone and then get completely owned irl
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bb bourgeoisie
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The person on the planet that MKA most reminds me of, of all the souls wandering this wretched world, is Alex Gianturco. If you are unfortunate enough to know who that is. The ceaseless self-promotion, the weird devotion of nerds online, the pathetic attempts to seem like they are living some kind of edgy lifestyle by sometimes going to a goth club and having sex with strangers, it all fits.
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bb bourgeoisie
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Either as a manufactured or self-manufactured celebrity, she is boring and bad and probably anemic.
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piss posted:

whats the deal with this person. is this the chick that tried to get disciplines life ruined or whatever. is this person CIA



no clue but i'm pretty sure brandy jensen is a cia asset

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one time a polish Worms Armageddon player accused me of "roping like shit" and told me to "go fuck to america," to this day the drama haunts my newsfeed
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bb bourgeoisie
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is there soviet wormageddon team theme?
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camera_obscura posted:

The person on the planet that MKA most reminds me of, of all the souls wandering this wretched world, is Alex Gianturco. If you are unfortunate enough to know who that is. The ceaseless self-promotion, the weird devotion of nerds online, the pathetic attempts to seem like they are living some kind of edgy lifestyle by sometimes going to a goth club and having sex with strangers, it all fits.



I googled this and he apparently is involved with "eve online", the goon favorite video game. you should do an exiled style takedown of this guy I love those.

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your typical anti-communist liberal who gets really strident and histrionic about anti-imperialists defending governments against cia-sponsored terrorists to the extent that she heroically doxxes them #holocaustaleppo

her whole crew has never met a piece of US propaganda they haven't fully embraced
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bb bourgeoisie
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Look, we were all young and foolish and libertarian once. I don't care to relive it.
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Poronto
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has she done much war propaganda in the last year as opposed to artsy self promotion and being a pissshit
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She should come here and write a front page article.
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littlegreenpills posted:

has she done much war propaganda in the last year as opposed to artsy self promotion and being a pissshit





she's basically aligned with the US state on every subject possible
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bb bourgeoisie
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One wonders whether severe vitamin d deficiency causes or is merely correlated with endorsing imperialism.
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what's specifically worse about Molly Crabapple is that Ames, Levine and Dolan seem pretty sure that some of the spooky actions she's taken against people on the left have been done as part of a team-up with outright genuine Neo-Nazi types within the Peter-Thiel-type "information security" private sector in the U.S. She is or was recently friends with a bunch of them, that's not in doubt, and she's cosmically failing to argue atm that she never knew they were Nazis, because she's trying to reinvent herself as a DSA big shot.

so she's kind of a different bag from the pure beige left-liberal, she's a far-right tourist and a solid piece of evidence in the case that the DSA is doing a very poor job of vetting the people aiming to become their new top dogs. that a lot of them are suck-up bourgeois careerists isn't a surprise, i wrote about this back when Sanders first announced, how a lot of people behind his "grassroots" campaign just see the future of "socialism" in the U.S. as a quixotic quest that will get them a new Prius and a byline.

But it's still a little of a surprise to me that the DSA proper seems to honestly not care if people who Red-hunt alongside Neo-Nazis join up, people with indisputable links to genuine spooks and white supremacists, with purely mercenary attitudes and long records of fucking rivals over out of pure spite. like, it's not good politics, but it's also piss-poor practical planning that could lead to a huge public relations debacle at a crucial moment in the near future.

Otherwise, Crabapple is a spook in the sense of the groundbreaking all-too-real tour de force, Spooks by E.M. Quangel. meaning that there's no reason she has to take paychecks from the CIA directly because she exists as a willing, bad-faith piece of a media machine where willingness to parrot bourgeois-state propaganda gets traded in for career progress through eye-popping content.
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Im sure she enjoys you guys stalking her?
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dank_xiaopeng posted:

it's a waste of time debating whether or not shills for empire are CIA puppets or just hangers-on, the ends are the same and we should devote our energy to debunking them imo



but when they're actually like, pals with Neo-Nazis who hack into leftists' Web sites, it's significantly different than this shit i see in this thread where people are like "oh she's an activist who had a twitter beef".

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zorrex posted:

Im sure she enjoys you guys stalking her?



hi mustang

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Its difficult to post on phone, good luck guessing if my upvotes are genuite or tiny button related
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bb bourgeoisie
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cars posted:

but when they're actually like, pals with Neo-Nazis who hack into leftists' Web sites, it's significantly different than this shit i see in this thread where people are like "oh she's an activist who had a twitter beef".



well, the rhizzone is a known fascist gathering site

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the cia doesn't need to fund anyone directly they just need to fund the media that finds the voices already saying the things they want and amplify them
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Mike Nelson here.
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the DSA policy is just the basic one any non-cadre party has to reasonably take, which is that you can only kick people out for things they do after they become members, and it has to relate to the organization in some direct way and proceed through institutional channels. it was a point of debate yesterday because some people want a minimum commitment to pro-choice politics or whatever, and others are saying that you can be a socialist without being pro-choice. so the question is whether there is some minimum set of political positions you have to hold to be a member. it would be very difficult to enforce that in a large organization. it's already almost impossible to enforce it on a small organization. it's also one of the main reasons why the 'big tent' sort of parties will tend towards reformism, because you're casting a wide net and most of those people will have common-sensical bourgeois views of politics when they start out, even if they support socialism in some vague sense. it's a legitimate trade-off and debate though. people who take this or that position have to demonstrate their own success and can't just nay-say about it.
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i think there's a significant difference, though, between no litmus testing for previous political positions and greeting someone who recently helped Nazis get someone fired over what was really a foreign policy debate with a public hearty, "please let us know what you want to do in our organization". i agree that the DSA maybe can't stop it by their nature as an organization, but to me that's a good reason to point at their leaders and say to the people joining them now, is this really what you want to support?

i just have a problem with what I see as playing down and smoothing over that behavior like it's a disagreement over, say, the issues that prompted that debate. like i don't agree with her over Syria, right, but this shit where you expose people arguing in good faith within the left, however vehemently, actually point their employer right at them in an attempt to get them fired, in an environment where a lot of the people now becoming sympathetic to socialist ideas fear reprisal, seems to me to be really bad, and even moreso if you're someone who's lucky enough to have a commercialized public persona as an "activist".

if i had to guess i'd say that the people who welcomed people such as Molly without question did so out of some varied balance of ignorance of what she's done and, where that wasn't the major factor, a preexisting bias for believing the less radical over the more radical individual party in matters of facts that is really nothing more than watered-down reactionary antipathy to leftism within purported leftists, caused by bad reasoning about the causes of lack of popular support for leftist movements in the recent past. it's akin in a lot of ways to how it was hot when i was younger for anarchists to declare themselves post-left and become bourgeois tourists of the militia movement (although they were at least still wary of people who tried to get leftists fired over political debates).

for me, what it boils down to is that i could have visited outings and witch-hunt behavior at least a few times in my life on people who were taking positions i felt were bad, people who leveled what i saw as unfair accusations against me, but i didn't do that because reprising in that way against people within the left, as though they were corporate hotshots with toddlers' skeletons in their basements, and especially involving shady people to make it happen, would make me the liability. and so when i see that behavior, i think, either someone is not doing their job or they are doing their job and their job is to be a problem for the left, whether they realize it or not.

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i saw molly crabsapple and cia director brennan in the closet making nazis and i saw one of the nazis and it looked at me
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the nazi looked at you? orb dad, get me Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring banana phone
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bb bourgeoisie
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Why haven't any alt-media outlets published any hit pieces on her? Aside from her near-total irrelevance...
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it's exactly that imo, she's not really a player, mostly she's an opportunistic hanger-on and kind of a joke even when she's engaged in grotesque behavior. the reason the eXile guys made fun of her on Twitter over what happened is because Yasha Levine wrote some related articles and a book about the sketchiness surrounding some of her play pals, although again the main topic there was how Tor and the "Internet privacy movement" appears to be where the U.S. surveillance apparatus and the far right meet, which is an issue of interest to a wider readership than the relatively small number of people in the English-speaking world who are concerned about the building of left political organizations.

MC is the sort of person that squad has enjoyed mocking since the eXile was in print, like I think they'd have a lot of fun discussing her Ironic Racist/soviet kitsch burlesque shows alongside her maudlin propaganda deliveries about the middle east/north africa, but i think they would probably consider writing an entire article about things like that to be punching down.

besides, that article has already been written and it would be hard to top.
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bb bourgeoisie
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But that's a blog, albeit an excellent one. I would have have expected something in one of the smaller magazines, at least. Perhaps it is because those are the places where she publishes copy that she is not covered as news. Old news at this point, too.
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hasnt the DSA already explicitly come out as "anti-communist" anyway?
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camera_obscura posted:

One wonders whether severe vitamin d deficiency causes or is merely correlated with endorsing imperialism.



when you go freelance, you give up on the sun

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aerdil posted:

hasnt the DSA already explicitly come out as "anti-communist" anyway?



but like most anti-communist "socialists" in recent history, they're supposedly anti-McCarthyism, and that's obviously smart for them and they should probably stick to it.

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Kurdt
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m 0 lly c and /\/\ olly k are different "people" although both of them have become antagonists of our erstwhile matriarch
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mt.real
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gyrofry posted:

m 0 lly c and /\/\ olly k are different "people" although both of them have become antagonists of our erstwhile matriarch


voting up for "erstwhile matriarch"