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was looking through the userlist to find lurkers to add to my sig and saw a number of old names. got distracted and made a little memorial instead. sorry if i forgot anyone...



**don't retweet this .. whomever is running rhizzone.txt can just re-up the video (i don't use twitter) --> pip.mp4

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oh my god
#43
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thats beautiful. PIP
#44
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I'm a lurker
#45
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lurkers: know that kustom kolors krew is a responsibility not a right. you risk a firestorm of controversy every time you change colors and avs reflecting the underlying psychology of this forum, if you choose a shade of yellow they will see urine & if you have a black man in your av they will find it 'unnerving'. well hope to see you around posting lots soon.
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Mustang's gone? Am I the only one who still gets trolled by him via PM?
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Online
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Is emanuela really gone
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cars posted:

f you have a black man in your av they will find it 'unnerving'. well hope to see you around posting lots soon.


i can't tell.. if you're serious.. becasue that's a highly offensive thing to say, you've accused me of this, I don't want to go to ifap, my life is only beginning, it's bright yellow and full of sunshine, like the Coldplay song, who Kanye thinks are better than the beatles, and I only hope Kanye is ok from reading too much Pizzagate, him surrounded by piss, stuck in a cell, i was worried....

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tpaine posted:

i can make you a 'tar shoggy

it isn't that i can't do it myself, i've just got no inspiration, you know?

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one tip for new posters, dont name yourself "piss" because thats already my username.

tip 2. if you dont know what to post simply quote something and say "this is liberal". everyone will then start fighting

tip 3. you dont have to watch all those king of the hill youtubes from 2012, no one will mention them after they get posted anyway

tip 5. the most important thing is to have fun, and if youre not having fun either on this forum or in your life consider doing something drastic to change that. and it doesnt have to be constructive either, if you thing something harmful or destructive would be fun just go ahead and do that. ultimately no one is responsible for their actions
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Aspie_Muslim_Economist_ posted:

Mustang's gone? Am I the only one who still gets trolled by him via PM?



he switched over to tweeting @rhizzone_txt many times per day so that when its memes ascend he can complete the 21 sacraments and reenter the main forum, which he believes to be his biological mother.

#52
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He's not wrong.
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Welcome to the forum, Keven
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Can somebody recommend to me some good/essential/insightful/ironic books for getting started with Marxism-Leninism? serious suggestions only, thank you
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Mike Nelson here.
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bartleby posted:

Can somebody recommend to me some good/essential/insightful/ironic books for getting started with Marxism-Leninism? serious suggestions only, thank you

Go to your local library and start at one end and then work your way through.

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Gssh posted:

was looking through the userlist to find lurkers to add to my sig and saw a number of old names. got distracted and made a little memorial instead. sorry if i forgot anyone...



don't retweet this... whomever is running rhizzone.txt can just re-up the video (i don't use twitter) --> pip.mp4

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bartleby posted:

Can somebody recommend to me some good/essential/insightful/ironic books for getting started with Marxism-Leninism? serious suggestions only, thank you



the only true adherent of lenin and marxism-leninism, as we all know, was Leonard Trotsky with his theory that only rich white countries can make socialism. A good place to start is The End of History by Yoshihiro Francis Fukuyama

is the red flag flying and farm to factory are both good and available in the secret pdf forum

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Mike Nelson here.
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Read these:
The State and Revolution by Lenin
The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Fred Engels
Reform and Revolution by Rosa Luxemberg
Selected Speeches and Writings by Konstantin Chernenko
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I will be checking out this Leonard Trotsky dude for sure for sure
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piss posted:

the most important thing is to have fun


This is liberal.

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cars posted:

Aspie_Muslim_Economist_ posted:
Mustang's gone? Am I the only one who still gets trolled by him via PM?


he switched over to tweeting @rhizzone_txt many times per day so that when its memes ascend he can complete the 21 sacraments and reenter the main forum, which he believes to be his biological mother.


I just wanted to know if he bugs everybody to "test their liberalism" in an unspeakably boring and fey forums version of Saw or if I'm special.

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ive gender
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im dumb as shit and post all the time but get this: folks love it!
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dipshit420 posted:

maybe one of these lurkers can finally get us a decent mali thread. only been waiting 5+ years for such a thing...



From Foot Locker, to Orange Julius, to Aberdcrombie; Yes, the mall truly does have it all.

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I've been coming back here on and off since LF, but I still have liberal tendencies so don't post often, though I credit this place for seriously questioning/changing old and terrible ideas. Also the quality reading recs and prog rock youtubes.
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that's a cool av
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Oakland
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I lurked LF a lot and forgot this site existed for a while but I am happy to have an account now. I'm having fun.
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hello and welcome to the dozens of sockpuppets dr what has recently created
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hi everyone, i would really like to stop lurking and begin contributing to discussion here. recently i was reading tiziana terranova's essay "free labor" because i thought i remembered her writing on the 'feminization of labor' and i wanted to revisit feminist thought on that issue at this moment when everyone suddenly wants to give so much credence to the 'disenfranchised white male.' i know that everyone here hates negri but please bear with me. i couldn't find the phrase i was looking for in that essay but i was intrigued by this quote terranova picked from one of the other italian autonomists:

For Lazzarato the concept of immaterial labor refers to two different aspects of labor:

On the one hand, as regards the “informational content” of the commodity, it refers directly to the changes taking place in workers’ labor processes . . . where the skills involved in direct labor are increasingly skills involving cybernetics and computer control (and horizontal and vertical communication). On the other hand, as regards the activity that produces the “cultural content” of the commodity, immaterial labor involves a series of activities that are not normally recognized as “work”—in other words, the kinds of activities involved in defining and fixing cultural and artistic standards, fashions, tastes, consumer norms, and, more strategically, public opinion.



i found this ambivalence of the term 'immaterial labor' interesting because it clarified for me the relationship between two issues that i was thinking of as disparate. terranova names "increased flexibility of the workforce, continuous reskilling, freelance work," etc. as tendencies of the digital economy and these seem to all be key to the working class resentment that thinkpieces are crediting for donald trump's election. there is an obvious nostalgia for earlier forms of industry, this is reflected by trump's protectionism, i think that 'continuous reskilling' is in particular a sore point, people, maybe white men in particular, i don't know, want to keep doing the same jobs that they did in the past and don't want industry to change. there's a legitimate recognition of exploitation in this, but also these changes are also what have gradually contributed to the increased feminization of the labor force... which of course does not mean less exploitation of women... since these the positions available for women in these new industries are still exploitative and as terranova points out often still unwaged as women's labor historically has been.

that's the first tendency that lazzarato is talking about, i want to start off talking about the second part of the quote by preemptively defending it as important because i am afraid people will see it as part of this postmodernization of marxism that i think negri is resented for, like maybe it is extending the definition of 'labor' or 'work' so far that it is basically meaningless. i do think that that it is important to be open to thinking about 'activities that are not normally recognized as “work”' since obviously this kind of challenge has been important in feminist interventions in marxism that have forced theorists to consider women's unwaged labor (terranova: "The acknowledgment of the collective aspect of labor implies a rejection of the equivalence between labor and employment, which was already stated by Marx and further emphasized by feminism.") so yeah, what i actually would like to consider is political correctness, and think about these changes in "cultural and artistic standards... and, more strategically, public opinion"... things like policing of misogynistic or racist speech on social media, or transgender bathrooms... and consider how these changes are brought about by labor... which might partially involve this extended definition of "immaterial labor"... like basically... is posting a thinkpiece facebook labor? i don't think that "immaterial labor" of this kind is irrelevant to U.S. policy considering the impact that donald trump's twitter has. and of course this kind of labor if we call it labor is related to these structural changes in industry because there are more people sitting bored in offices who are going to click on thinkpieces. i feel very ambivalent about this. i'm not sure what to say about this. it seems very real to me because my friend burned to death in the fire in oakland, and although i am increasingly sympathetic to materialist feminist claims that transgender women should be considered as male in many circumstances and i personally am trying to distance myself from transgender identity, i still know that my dead friend wouldn't want her birth name to be used in the media, and although i would like to been doing anything else i spent a significant part of today trying to get journalists to update the articles to please remove this information from their articles, and people are screaming at me about politically correctness and i don't even care, i'm a TERF, i still want to respect what would have been my friend's dying wishes. so sometimes the immaterial can suddenly seem very material. also the deaths of my friend and others are already being used an excuse to immediately evict and as a result force into homelessness some of my friends who are still living. i'm sorry that i can't work through these thoughts all the way right now. it occurs to me that i will probably die suddenly. good night

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Dont Mess With Sucess
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To me, "reskilling" labor, in terms of labor being "feminized," calls up capitalist alienation and bourgeois male workers' roles being ever further abstracted from production and into service of humans, computers or machinery... I think that the drive to return "production" home is a cover for the return to two manly activities: 1. white men returning to land ownership, albeit little crappy bits of land, where they can at least abuse the turf all to bits and do "cool shit" and gun their internal cobustion engines all day, and 2. other men visibly returning to factory and agricultural work and probably indentured servitude, but lit in the positive lights of people returning to their proper social functions and the restoration of the home economy. And i am sorry that your friends are at risk of that. And, on the other hand, with suffering comes revolutionary potential, I read about that in a book once
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Rightist Americans noticed how effective identity politics have been since the 60s and how radically they had affected the ambient feeling of being in America (I might not agree this is the same as ‘progress,’ but I do confess that the efficacy of identity politics has been enormous). Noticing this, I think many white Americans wanted to capture identity and mobilize it for their own political ends. I think that this is what Trump empowered his base to do, and I speculate that if this did not decide the election, it (at the very least) played a major role.
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sorry to hear that your friend burned to death, really sucks when that happens
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first i must offer my condolences. there but for the grace of god etc.

cemetery posted:

... is posting a thinkpiece facebook labor? i don't think that "immaterial labor" of this kind is irrelevant to U.S. policy considering the impact that donald trump's twitter has. and of course this kind of labor if we call it labor is related to these structural changes in industry because there are more people sitting bored in offices who are going to click on thinkpieces.


I'm not sure 'labor' is the most sensible framework for understanding this stuff. The impact of trump's twitter, overblown as it is, is significant, but not because it is labor - it is not. Leaving that aside, where is the labor in the thinkpiece? Potentially in a number of places, I would suggest - in the production and publication of it, in the creation and maintenance of the platforms on which it is served - but not necessarily in the clicking on it, the reading it, even the sharing it. If we are to go down that route, I think we first have to ensure we're not just being bamboozled by the technology. Is there something that makes these acts fundamentally different from reading a newspaper article or watching a tv pundit, relaying the argument ypu read or heard to another friend in conversation, etc? If so, it should be articulated.

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Roger cohen of the new york times thinks the psychology of twitter and smartphones caused people to elect trump by mistake. this means its probably a dumb and wrong idea...
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cars posted:



I thought my ironic vote was going to be counted as such

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Hi folks
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i- incredible...
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incredible_ass posted:

Hi folks



hi

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incredible_ass posted:

Hi folks