elemennop posted:
church is for those too weak to pull the plow and too clumsy to learn a proper trade

funny bc im stronger and a more skilled worker than u and i believe in God.

EmanuelaOrlandi posted:

elemennop posted:
church is for those too weak to pull the plow and too clumsy to learn a proper trade

funny bc im stronger and a more skilled worker than u and i believe in God.

good, you're not for the church. i'll give you 5 cows, 10 swine, and 100 bushels of wheat to marry 3rd daughter

elemennop posted:
church is for those too weak to pull the plow and too clumsy to learn a proper trade

i accept plowing as worship

elemennop posted:

discipline posted:
lmao your kidnapped jannisary son is going to convert to Islam and run the empire n00b

"convert to islam" and re-instate the Serbian Orthodox church the second he starts running the empire

discipline posted:
I was having this discussion last night actually but w/r/t family and gender roles. We cannot eradicate these things without replacing them, yet we are told in society that we are left with a lack wherein people are free actors or something. This is not true. We are so much smarter than this. we know that people are compelled by forces outside of their control for just about everything. I don't see how anyone could think that "killing God" isn't anything but a really transparent attempt to immerse everyone in the hedonistic present and ramp up levels of consumption and atomization within society. Church was pretty much the last place in the west that people met as a community once a week (or more) to do stuff not related to consumer capitalism. Now they are zeroing in on family dinners and marriage, not as oppressive institutions but rather as places where we still meet to discuss our day. Now we are all on so many drugs with the radio on and the curtains drawn. Typing across oceans at each other in our dens, older than we should be to be single and alone in life. Welcome to the desert of the Real boys.

who's talking about ""killing God""..? kratos of sparta? if you're talking about Nietzsche's famous quote, then you really misunderstand what he's saying. it isn't that "We should kill God because we'd be better off without him," its that "God is dead because we have already killed him," i.e. a historical assertion, past-tense, in the same line of what you're already describing: that the place of "God" in western culture died as faith was placed in vulgar materialism rather than in spiritual balance, leaving our souls without any foundation on which to stand. do you disagree with that assertion? Nietzsche then predicts that unless we "over"come this, we will degenerate into the famous blinking The Last Men, pitiful herbivores without life.

i dunno. it starting to seem to me that the position that bf and yourself actually hold is that western culture is beyond self-salvation, and that thus the golden path lies in injecting a different culture, that still has its God, into our arms, as if it were some sort of antibody for our spiritual malaise. or do i have that wrong? how else to interpret bf's absurd fetishism in that case?

Edited by germanjoey (Feb. 9, 2012 19:29:00)

Impper posted:
nietzsche already gave god a kidney shot, now we just have to finish him off

nietzsche never did not one lil thing to no god no how

babyfinland posted:

germanjoey posted:
i dunno. it starting to seem to me that the position that bf and yourself actually hold is that western culture is beyond self-salvation, and that thus the golden path lies in injecting a different culture, that still has its God, into our arms, as if it were some sort of antibody for our spiritual malaise. or do i have that wrong? how else to interpret bf's absurd fetishism in that case?

lol what

your arab fetishism. you're pretty much an arab otaku

germanjoey posted:

babyfinland posted:

germanjoey posted:
i dunno. it starting to seem to me that the position that bf and yourself actually hold is that western culture is beyond self-salvation, and that thus the golden path lies in injecting a different culture, that still has its God, into our arms, as if it were some sort of antibody for our spiritual malaise. or do i have that wrong? how else to interpret bf's absurd fetishism in that case?

lol what

your arab fetishism. you're pretty much an arab otaku

o rly

babyfinland posted:

germanjoey posted:

babyfinland posted:

germanjoey posted:
i dunno. it starting to seem to me that the position that bf and yourself actually hold is that western culture is beyond self-salvation, and that thus the golden path lies in injecting a different culture, that still has its God, into our arms, as if it were some sort of antibody for our spiritual malaise. or do i have that wrong? how else to interpret bf's absurd fetishism in that case?

lol what

your arab fetishism. you're pretty much an arab otaku

o rly

ya

babyfinland posted:
i honestly can not think of a single reason why you would think that unless youre just unable to distinguish islam from arabianness or something, in which case you have to conclude that islam in its entirety is arab otaku-ness, which is veering into a creepy racial essentialist discourse

ok answer me this, when have you ever put the way you understand islam into terms other people can relate to instead of just dumping shitloads of scripture copy/pastes lol

"Islam doesn't need "The LEft""

germanjoey posted:

babyfinland posted:
i honestly can not think of a single reason why you would think that unless youre just unable to distinguish islam from arabianness or something, in which case you have to conclude that islam in its entirety is arab otaku-ness, which is veering into a creepy racial essentialist discourse

ok answer me this, when have you ever put the way you understand islam into terms other people can relate to instead of just dumping shitloads of scripture copy/pastes lol

"Islam doesn't need "The LEft""

all the time

germanjoey posted:
explain your avatar

its the shahada