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Dont Mess With Sucess
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Regarding banning, I only hear the opinions of my campaign donors
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i've never really thought about it before but in a socialist society if you needed to move to a new location, how would you transfer all your personal stuff?

would there be an organization that supplies you with a temporary storage vehicle or would you just push a wheel cart with all your stuff to a bullet train?
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http://www.dolekemp96.org/agenda/issues/internet.htm
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Synergy posted:

i've never really thought about it before but in a socialist society if you needed to move to a new location, how would you transfer all your personal stuff?

would there be an organization that supplies you with a temporary storage vehicle or would you just push a wheel cart with all your stuff to a bullet train?



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HenryKrinkle posted:

http://www.dolekemp96.org/agenda/issues/internet.htm


"dole" and "kemp" are my favorite fyad fake words

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YUNG JIRO AKA SHOWA STUNNA AKA
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My mom was like, son, I know you don't have religion because of the evil in the world, but..., and how do you tell your mom that even if Evil weren't a thing you still wouldnt find virgin Roman renfaire dressup to be a particularly plausible cosmology
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Synergy posted:

i've never really thought about it before but in a socialist society if you needed to move to a new location, how would you transfer all your personal stuff?

would there be an organization that supplies you with a temporary storage vehicle or would you just push a wheel cart with all your stuff to a bullet train?



You offer to get the one person you know a cassette player imported from the west, in exchange for that he loads all your possessions into a car that looks almost unchanged from its introduction 30 years ago

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We went to church only on holidays with my grandparents, my mother would explain "we're doing this for your grandparents" to elicit our cooperation, her broader theory being, "This is all a lie, probably a cult, but it makes your grandparents happy so we just put up with it for a few hours a year." I think this was a valuable lesson even if I don't exactly agree because learning to tolerate religious people is the wind sprints of learning to tolerate people.
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i still chow down on communion wafers if i happen to be at a funeral or something so my mom doesnt get sad about having godless sons
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more like communism wafers. haha. owned you mom once again
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bland, stale, tasteless, tiny rationed portions that you have to wait in a bread line for, accompanied by bad music and surrounded by a cult of personality chanting slogans? That may sound like your kind of communism mister bush but it isn't mine.
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aerdil posted:

Synergy posted:

i've never really thought about it before but in a socialist society if you needed to move to a new location, how would you transfer all your personal stuff?

would there be an organization that supplies you with a temporary storage vehicle or would you just push a wheel cart with all your stuff to a bullet train?



So the answer, Synergy, is you hire a three wheeler like you're supposed to instead of asking a rule-shirking scoundrel and kicking of some kind of hour long romantic drama

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one thing i fucking hate is when turbo liberals talk about singularity

and the simulation hypothesis

it's some borderline religious shit i don't know how they don't see the irony
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the reason the "rationalist" nerds and other AI-worshipping libertarians so readily spawned the neo-reactionaries is that they believe in basically the same thing: that an optimal system is one powerful individual able to look at the big picture making all the decisions. the difference is that the neo-reactionaries believe that this power can and should be given to a human while scott alexander understands that they have a poor track record and there are too many factors inherently in conflict for that to work. but an AI Skyfather could solve all problems, because utilitarianism is a math problem that a computer could solve quickly and accurately, and not something based inherently on subjective value judgments
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"Jpg." - Hank Hill
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computer! return "greatest good for greatest number"
ERROR. NOT DEFINED: "GOOD"
fucking moral relativist machine
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le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

computer! return "greatest good for greatest number"
ERROR. NOT DEFINED: "GOOD"
fucking moral relativist machine


Looks like someone is shifting the goalposts

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The Nazis (really western society for decades before and after them but that 10 year period in Germany was the most extreme) were as successful as feasible in making this perverted utilitarian logic mainstream and eg murdering/sterilising disabled people directly and similar programs for the poor a bit more indirectly.

Obviously autistic type people agree with each other that they should be making these decisions for society but I guess the people who manipulate them are more dangerous.

There seem to be a lot of people who go along with such storylines as well because they haven't thought much about it and technology and innovation are the only hopeful positive options allowed within Tc
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IMO: lmao if u think the advancement of technology (especially automation) will contribute to anything except opening up a variety of dank new methods of surveilling, marginalizing and controlling proletarians. cant fuckin wait until my self driving car requires a semen sample with less then .025ug detectable parts of ML praxis per million to start or it shoots me.
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i jam a Key into google car hole and it just beeps at me. it makes a noise and then i climb in and wave at a fellow Beifahrer staring at his kindle in the lane next to me as his Automatic driving vehicle wheezes by spewing some kind of benzine derivative byproduct all over the glossy solar roadway which is flickering LED memes at me in a distant language only known to a specific subreddit. Ah what a glorious present is this, i think. technology really has saved my city from the Devil that is technological stagnation. now if i could only reconcile the two opposite ideologies in my brain: zealous faith in an Elon musk creator figure and total and utter nihilistic technofetishism i would be Blessed to have Saved myself from tearing myself to microscopic nanobits. That's all im concerned with solving, the mystery of Myself. i go on journeys to nepal and contemplate Koans and then i come back and make sweeping accusations because I Am Selfish. I dont actually give a shit about social problems because i am not part of "society." I, am, a north american Scum. Kew that LCD sound system song, Dee Jay
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Techno-fetishism is one of those methods of taking responsibility away from the individual. No, don't worry, you don't have to do anything about climate change, some scientist team at Harvard will solve it in probably like ten years or something, they're super smart. And look, they already made this little gadget that turns a shovel full of cow shit into enough energy to power a flashlight for 30 minutes so you can breathe easy knowing the smart people are at it.
Nothing is a problem in that mindset because if it is a problem, it won't be for long. It's always just one invention away from being solved.
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personally i don't think the singularity is unlikely, but if one is invented under capitalism, it will definitely eat us
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The issue with Neoreactionary libertarians is that they're playing with technology which already colludes to non-transactional anti-market technology. To state that hierarchy would exist in an ultra capitalist world where markets are "set free" would be scoffed by someone like Mises or Management Info System people because such technologies when applied to monarchical feudal systems only shorten the need for M-C-P-C-M relations in supplier chains (this is what Austrians think actually caused people like Rockefeller to cheat the market through state regulations). The only way to use this tech market wise would be to preserve the commodity to price relation which would actually de-hierarchize their technofeudal monopolies.
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roseweird posted:

i received one of kurzweil's books as a gift once when i was like 18 and i actually read it, so anyway the singularity is not really about the improvement of AI or the integration of computer components with human biology and the concrete applications of these developments. it is really gibsonesque fantasizing about what this MEANS, where the singularity is really defined by its ineffability, as the point at which human consciousness is fundamentally transformed into something we cannot imagine from our present existence. this quality of being beyond imagination actually is fundamental to the definition, because the singularity is a genuinely religious notion that promises escape from physical conditions, despite being premised entirely on concrete developments affecting human bodies and human tools. from the point of view of singularitarians, mundane consequences of technical development, like jumping really high or reading barometric pressure projected directly on your retinas or being a riot cop coordinated through binaural beats by an AI in a satellite, are just like, not the point of the singularity, which is going to save us from ourselves

I 100% agree that singularitarians, especially the reflexively optimistic ones like ol' Ray, are insufficiently marxist and consistently erase class, and that much of what they say can therefore be easily discarded. they seem to make the assumption that high power AI will come from academia or some other blue-sky project, which is obviously absurd in light of both basic logic and the fact that we can already see the most sophisticated (and most unpredictable, e.g. the 2-minute long currency collapse in the pound today) AI in finance and big data. what i don't see is how it therefore follows that the reaction is "lol if you nerd rapture" instead of "if moore's law holds up there will be a day when non-human entities owned by corporations and obeying fiduciary duties that will be able to out-think human beings in ways including the capacity to increase the power of moore's law and that will be real fuckin bad"

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glomper_stomper posted:

JohnsonPike posted:

The issue with Neoreactionary libertarians is that they're playing with technology which already colludes to non-transactional anti-market technology. To state that hierarchy would exist in an ultra capitalist world where markets are "set free" would be scoffed by someone like Mises or Management Info System people because such technologies when applied to monarchical feudal systems only shorten the need for M-C-P-C-M relations in supplier chains (this is what Austrians think actually caused people like Rockefeller to cheat the market through state regulations). The only way to use this tech market wise would be to preserve the commodity to price relation which would actually de-hierarchize their technofeudal monopolies.

gesundheit


Well I mean technologies can be used in different ways

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http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/elon-musk-ai-artificial-intelligence-computer-simulation-gaming-virtual-reality-a7060941.html

Elon Musk has said that there is only a “one in billions” chance that we’re not living in a computer simulation.

Our lives are almost certainly being conducted within an artificial world powered by AI and highly-powered computers, like in The Matrix, the Tesla and SpaceX CEO suggested at a tech conference in California.

Mr Musk, who has donated huge amounts of money to research into the dangers of artificial intelligence, said that he hopes his prediction is true because otherwise it means the world will end.

“The strongest argument for us probably being in a simulation I think is the following,” he told the Code Conference. “40 years ago we had Pong – two rectangles and a dot. That’s where we were.

“Now 40 years later we have photorealistic, 3D simulations with millions of people playing simultaneously and it’s getting better every year. And soon we’ll have virtual reality, we’ll have augmented reality.

“If you assume any rate of improvement at all, then the games will become indistinguishable from reality, just indistinguishable.”

He said that even if the speed of those advancements dropped by 1000, we would still be moving forward at an intense speed relative to the age of life.

Since that would lead to games that would be indistinguishable from reality that could be played anywhere, “it would seem to follow that the odds that we’re in ‘base reality’ is one in billions”, Mr Musk said.

Asked whether he was saying that the answer to the question of whether we are in a simulated computer game was “yes”, he said the answer is “probably”.
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i know i'm screaming into the wind here but could we maybe stop pretending that because a dude makes good cars that means he's some kind of enlightened genius
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glomper_stomper posted:

yeah but it's also a lot of academic word salad, shit like "technofeudal", that retains the glaring contradictions of right-libertarian ideology without confronting or explaining them within the real political economy of capitalism.



I mean yeah I guess that's a point. These kids don't really have a way to get from A-B but that's also sorta my point. The best they can do is will anti-market tech inside firms to get the closest thing to feudalism which is just more monopolization. You could also use that tech in other ways which reverse that process.

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le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

i know i'm screaming into the wind here but could we maybe stop pretending that because a dude makes good cars that means he's some kind of enlightened genius


I can't wait for the next precocious tech billionaire to announce that the many worlds interpretation of QM makes it inevitable that, somewhere in the multiverse, anime is real, and that he'll be marshalling most of the productive resources in the Bay Area to construct a stargate so he can become Naruto, the pundit class nodding sagely all the while.

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JohnsonPike posted:

I mean yeah I guess that's a point. These kids don't really have a way to get from A-B but that's also sorta my point. The best they can do is will anti-market tech inside firms to get the closest thing to feudalism which is just more monopolization. You could also use that tech in other ways which reverse that process.


well dang, mustang went to college