ah yes let's see what these antifa protestors could possibly consider to be "racist" "fascist" or "nazi" that entitles them to disrupt a lawful assembly
hm yep checks out
The Founding Fathers of this nation would not have put up with protesters for Trayvon Martin or gay rights rallies. Our Founding Fathers believed in freedom and prosperity for white men and women, not the entire Third World. Our Founding Fathers believed in a system of beliefs that mirrored Europe at her height and the faith of the Church, even those who were themselves not Christians. They would look at our modern society and shake with anger. Through gritted teeth I would bet my life’s savings that our Founding Fathers if given one look at what their invention would become, would tear up the Constitution and proclaim to us
“Fuck your freedom.”
Rabid dogs are put down, not allowed around the family kids. Our enemies are sick animals and we need to treat them as such.
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I do not care if you want to murder your child, you do not have the right to do that. If you murder your child, a group of citizens should lynch you. You murdered a defenseless human being that was of your own flesh and blood for your own selfishness. Women who murder their children are murderers, depraved and sickening.
Communists, anarchist, and all other sorts of Left wing scum, you do not have the right to voice your opinions. Your ideas are a sickness that spreads throughout a society to rot it from the inside. Only a suicidal or stupid culture would allow you to spread your filth that has only the purpose of uprooting and dismantling the society that was foolish enough to let you organize within it. “Freedom” of assembly and “freedom” of speech need not apply to Leftists, you are the enemy, pure and simple.
Non-whites do not have the rights or freedom to move into white nations. This is our home and our kith and kin. Borders matter, identity matters, blood matters, libertarians and their capitalism can move to Somalia if they want to live without rules, in the West we must have standards and enforce them. The “freedom” for other races to move freely into white nations is nonexistent. Stay in your own nations, we don’t want you here.
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aerdil posted:
hm yep checks out
france's wang? the whole thing??
babyhueypnewton posted:What exactly is the point of antifa?
Well Huey, I know this might be difficult to understand, but the people won't respect your organization if it refuses to defend them from an immediately visible campaign of violence and terror in their own neighborhood.
Additionally, when fascist militias are allowed to operate unopposed, accumulating confidence and support, they tend to create ~*material conditions*~ of the members of your communist party turning up dead. This creates some minor logistical difficulties, and it is a more efficient allocation of resources to prevent it.
babyhueypnewton posted:and is rejected by most communist parties as adventurism and 'squadism'
what are these communist parties. list them. here's a vid of recent anti-revisionist darling CPGB-ML disrupting a nazi march in liverpool. Some of the people attacked in this recent Sacramento clash were PSL members, and the party certainly supported it enough to give it some space on their website. Do you think it's easier to organize and do "real communist work" in a city where nazis operate openly?
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88888 posted:babyhueypnewton posted:
and is rejected by most communist parties as adventurism and 'squadism'
what are these communist parties. list them. here's a vid of recent anti-revisionist darling CPGB-ML disrupting a nazi march in liverpool. Some of the people attacked in this recent Sacramento clash were PSL members, and the party certainly supported it enough to give it some space on their website. Do you think it's easier to organize and do "real communist work" in a city where nazis operate openly?
tHE rHizzonE S05E12 plot synopsis: BHPN calls out other communists as "holier than thou," then immediately spins around and starts opposing actual material communist activity on the basis of bargain bin theory wank he pulled out of his ass.
i feel like this episode of tHE rHizzonE is just a rehash of old material. the writing team seems to be running out of ideas. but it's still worth it to see the character actors do their shticks imho.
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It would also be worthwhile to hire a private detective to find out who the Nazi organizers are and where they work. Then if you hear of a future rally, you can greet its leaders at their jobs the day before, escort them home, then demonstrate on their block all night. If a private detective is too expensive, how about an unemployed person who will just tail and take photographs? And at the least, for any attacker you're able to drag to a cop, you can insist on filing a police report which will get identifying information about the Nazi.
Coordination ie. two-way radios are not desirable, they give the appearance of malicious planning and cause more confusion because everyone is using the channel instead of their own eyes and ears. Small groups have autonomy with simple rules - stay about 10 feet between groups, and never more, ie. don't rush forward into the Nazi line. Rather, try to drag individual attackers back behind the line, then your neighboring groups stop those attackers being followed by support. Yes, this is basically the NYPD "snatch and grab" technique, it's very effective.
The trained antifa people should show up early and sort people into groups as they arrive so that anyone arriving already sees 100% participation with the approach. Stress that this is a means of self-defense, of neutralizing attackers and forcing them to face consequences for violence. It would be ideal to put any loudly non-violent attendants on the very front line because these people will be the loudest anti-Nazis after they take baseball bat to the arm
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Keven posted:I'm imagining a squad of communists training with the oriental "Bo" staff, sweaty under mid day sun, their news boy caps askew and you know what. Seems fine to me.
I prefer a Guisarme to any form of stave; if you've been to one of my family reunions / ren-faire tournaments in the past five years you'd know exactly why.
Keven: when you ask me, "don't you even care?" The word "even" creates guilt: you're saying that the baseline is caring and I'm not willing to do "even" that. If you had instead said "don't you care?" I could accept the question at face value and we could have a dialog. But since you're choosing to attack me, I'm going to walk away.
Attacker: (is now one of those ground shadows that a-bombs make in movies)
swampman posted:Yeah you need at least two people doing videography, that means high resolution cameras from a distance and from high up so you can see all the action, so you can identify Nazi attacks and attackers afterward.
Quality matters here, you want footage to be as unambiguous as possible. If your org/group doesn't have access to good camera equipment, there are often less radical orgs with easier access to resources that will have equipment available for free rental to community members they consider within the periphery of their politics and who can jump through the right access hoops like student status, cheap/free token memberships etc. University based orgs are a good place to shop around for this, they are often well funded and have the long term stability to maintain material resources, and shouldn't be hard to convince if you send a good diplomat/schmoozer.
And unlike a commercial rental joint they'll usually just be really sad if something happens to their stuff. It helps good relations to take good care of their equipment anyways, but things happen.
swampman posted:You should band together in groups of 3-5. If you are attacked your immediate goal should be to capture your attacker. If they attack one of your group, the others in your group each grab a separate limb and focus on each getting control of that limb.
Jobs that involve risks of violence (but don't assume violence like cops or security) often have good training and resources for resolving violent confrontation with minimal harm to all parties involved. We're talking stuff like social work, workers for persons who have severe developmental disabilities or mental illness, youth workers, etc. A good class teaches techniques for safely restraining (both alone and cooperatively,) escaping grabs, safety strategies for common attack approaches by untrained opponents, etc. Restraining can be extremely difficult if you don't have a planned and practiced approach.
Most of these jobs get training as a prerequisite for work, and the trainings are fairly cheap and actually accessible to anyone who wants them, you just don't hear about them if you don't work in those circles. It can be helpful to find a course and have a couple people trained, preferably people who are experienced at popular education and would be good at passing the knowledge on to others so that you can spread training in-house.
Good practices here will not only reduce immediate physical risk, they will minimize legal issues and undermine fasc justifications for preemptive and retaliatory violence.
anyway let me add something since we're talking about security. consider having your branch or affinity group go get security licenses. at the very least youll have easier access to equipment and training, plus provide a path of employment for the more precarious fellow travelers. it also enables you to be the local security team for events thrown in your town. theres a group here that does this and its bought them a lot of goodwill from very wide sections of the community.
swampman posted:It would be ideal to put any loudly non-violent attendants on the very front line because these people will be the loudest anti-Nazis after they take baseball bat to the arm
Lol, I know you're probably joking but organizers shouldn't do this. It unnecessarily risks comrades safety and will contribute to general disarray. If anyone is resolutely non-violent make them do something else practical like take a first-aid course or help with video.
i see two kinds of ways this can be addressed - technical development to shore up the weakness (self defense courses, motorcycle jackets as protective gear, bottles of LAW, etc) and further development of our strengths (broadening the anti-fascist struggle to more and more groups by assigning them work they are suited for). we always outnumber them on the ground here, even when turnout isnt that great.