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swirlsofhistory posted:

Currently in the US, white nationalists have murdered more people than any other political group, with the exception of the police.

I'm pretty sure that's not true.


What the fuck is this shit. Please share your source and prepare to get owned

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swirlsofhistory posted:

Currently in the US, white nationalists have murdered more people than any other political group, with the exception of the police.

I'm pretty sure that's not true.



We need to take serious measures against he unknown cult

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roseweird posted:

swirlsofhistory posted:

swirlsofhistory posted:

Currently in the US, white nationalists have murdered more people than any other political group, with the exception of the police.


I'm pretty sure that's not true.

nm that's "terror attacks" which doesnt include "hate crimes"

i also don't think sunnis have caused the deaths of 130k americans in us terror attacks so im not sure what that gif youre posting is supposed to be about


Its worldwide

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roseweird posted:

swirlsofhistory posted:

roseweird posted:

swirlsofhistory posted:

swirlsofhistory posted:

Currently in the US, white nationalists have murdered more people than any other political group, with the exception of the police.


I'm pretty sure that's not true.

nm that's "terror attacks" which doesnt include "hate crimes"

i also don't think sunnis have caused the deaths of 130k americans in us terror attacks so im not sure what that gif youre posting is supposed to be about

Its worldwide since 2000

the person you were responding to said "in the US" ...


If you actually click through the link on the page the total under Jihad is twice as high as "far right wing" which is itself a stretch given they're treating anti-abortion and sovereign citizen killers as white extremists or white nationalists.

http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html

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Petrol posted:

swirlsofhistory posted:

Currently in the US, white nationalists have murdered more people than any other political group, with the exception of the police.

I'm pretty sure that's not true.

What the fuck is this shit. Please share your source and prepare to get owned


Well whaddaya know. Your source is the fucking FBI via a right wing anti-islam blog http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/2011/04/27/intelligent-muslim-only-support-dhimmi-candidates-who-agree-to-make-it-a-hate-crime-to-associate-islam-to-terrorism/

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Ok, so what? I'll click anything to do with cats. Does that make me a bad guy?
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that's one loc'd out nazi
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i can personally count more dead and wounded by neonazis than there are in that chart off the top of my head

what is up with the bizarre catchall category "secular/political/anarchist," what is political in there, does that line item double count the people from the other line items for more specific political affiliations. what happens if someone is an anarchist of faith. how do you define "not political." can an attack by a secular person be not political? what the fuck

and why are "ecoterrorist/antiglobalisation" not included in that catchall, and why are they lumped in together with each other. but attacks by anarchists are distinct from these in some other different way. where would you put an anarchist ecoterrorist. why. what. why why what why why

the categorizations in that list would only seem consistent to a nazi with brain damage.
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swirlsofhistory posted:

Ok, so what? I'll click anything to do with cats. Does that make me a bad guy?


I'm gonna assume you found it somewhere else because your ass is too lazy to crop an image, but guess what. Literally everyone who has posted that table on any other website, from the donald trump subreddit to myanimelist to abovetopsecret, is a pathetic nerd trying to advance a right wing smear of islam. Pathetic nerds are our bread and butter here at the 'zzone, but the other stuff? Not so much.

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BREAKING: if you internalise fascist understandings and categorisations of sociopolitical groups and their underlying motivations, islam is extremely bad
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roseweird posted:

swirlsofhistory posted:

roseweird posted:

swirlsofhistory posted:

roseweird posted:

swirlsofhistory posted:

swirlsofhistory posted:

Currently in the US, white nationalists have murdered more people than any other political group, with the exception of the police.


I'm pretty sure that's not true.

nm that's "terror attacks" which doesnt include "hate crimes"

i also don't think sunnis have caused the deaths of 130k americans in us terror attacks so im not sure what that gif youre posting is supposed to be about

Its worldwide since 2000

the person you were responding to said "in the US" ...

If you actually click through the link on the page the total under Jihad is twice as high as "far right wing" which is itself a stretch given they're treating anti-abortion and sovereign citizen killers as white extremists or white nationalists.

http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html

not sure what you mean by "actually click through the link on the page", you just posted a link just now. anyway i clicked your link but i'm going to learn from getfiscal's noble example and not click links to things in the future


It's from the Time article that links from the itsgoingdown site. The category goes from far right extremists (including anti-government and religious) to "white extremists" to finally become "white nationalists" in the antifa twist. Also, let's just ignore the second part and pretend that the police are a political group and the American Medical Association aren't...

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shriekingviolet posted:

i can personally count more dead and wounded by neonazis than there are in that chart off the top of my head

what is up with the bizarre catchall category "secular/political/anarchist," what is political in there, does that line item double count the people from the other line items for more specific political affiliations. what happens if someone is an anarchist of faith. how do you define "not political." can an attack by a secular person be not political? what the fuck

and why are "ecoterrorist/antiglobalisation" not included in that catchall, and why are they lumped in together with each other. but attacks by anarchists are distinct from these in some other different way. where would you put an anarchist ecoterrorist. why. what. why why what why why

the categorizations in that list would only seem consistent to a nazi with brain damage.


It's probably based on motivation and affiliation

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Petrol posted:

swirlsofhistory posted:

Ok, so what? I'll click anything to do with cats. Does that make me a bad guy?

I'm gonna assume you found it somewhere else because your ass is too lazy to crop an image, but guess what. Literally everyone who has posted that table on any other website, from the donald trump subreddit to myanimelist to abovetopsecret, is a pathetic nerd trying to advance a right wing smear of islam. Pathetic nerds are our bread and butter here at the 'zzone, but the other stuff? Not so much.


It's illustrating the ridiculousness of antifascist politics. Outside of the bubble everyone is laughing at you.

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gigantic meaty balls
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anti-antifa, or as it's better known, antidisestablishment-aryanism
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swirlsofhistory posted:

It's illustrating the ridiculousness of antifascist politics. Outside of the bubble everyone is laughing at you.


Must be a big ass bubble, to contain everyone who is not a nazi or collaborator. Remind me again why you post here

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for real though, a lot of libs might have a hard time rallying behind "communist" or "socialist" or "anarchist," but "anti-fascist" always seemed like something pretty broadly uncontroversial. it's worrying to see that phrase come under fire directly, however stupid it looks on their flyer
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imho, the SPLC is liberal and has some shady finances but is still a useful source of info.
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the liberal response to this is expected but vomit-inducing all the same.
" trying to stop nazi free speech makes you the real nazis!"
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Hey. Just wanted to let yall know we are fundraising for legal defense of comrades arrested in yesterday's skirmish with GSN and TWP. I'll be posting a link for this later in case anyone wants to help with legal or medical. I'm happy my friends came home ok. They've told me there's a lot of problems with reporting from the event, specifically regarding the brawl on the lawn, but I don't have a detailed narrative yet.
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Yeah post that link. Also who do I complain to about what I would have done differently if I were in charge of the anarchists
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Over the last 5 years Antifa Sacramento has put together a rather diverse united front to confront the regular white nationalist rallies occurring there. 5-600 protestors attended the rally.That said, police in these confrontations protect nationalists relatively effectively, as they have recently become more frequent.

The brawl was the first outbreak of violence and also the very first confrontation. Protestors set up a picket line to prevent fascists from reaching the capital, and police had set up between them and the assembled fascists. They jockeyed away antifa fromk flan positions, letting individuals slip past and onto the grounds. Exiting off to the side of the lawn, a group of fascists formed and started beating on the protestors. That's where the video yall were talking about before starts.

Casualty counts only account for what happened on the capital, however. What media neglects to inform the public is that there were running battles in the streets after the rally broke up, and multiple people were picked up by supporter vans, interesting in itself.

This is a previously established fundraising page they will be updating when they know their expected medical bills.


https://rally.org/june26th
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One problem with left militants in this country is that organized confrontation with groups is something we just don't really do. Perhaps it died with the BPP? I don't know, but its hardly the first time this has occurred. The Communist Workers Party, who I only know about because of this, trained their comrades pursuing anti-racist work in Greensboro in fighting with staves. I suppose this isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the klan rolled by and gunned down a half-dozen very brave, committed, and ultimately foolish comrades.

Put together a range day with your comrades, and stop acting like individuals when you are in a protest with a group maybe? Most events I've been at where confrontation occurs, there's a handful of people thinking about what's going on and everyone else is just reacting. I think I saw that happen in the brawl - someone hits another dude in the back of the head and he turns around and stares off when he can do basically anything at that point

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one thing that doesnt come off that clearly in the video - the brawl starts off far to the right and behind the mass of protesters, so the fascists get a good 30 seconds worth of attack in before they get chased off. id imagine that the people most willing were near the front protest line, and the people approaching the protest or milling about behind are less prepared
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roseweird posted:

swampman posted:

Yeah post that link. Also who do I complain to about what I would have done differently if I were in charge of the anarchists

sorry, i guess it is awful to comment in this way from safety, but it was frustrating to see that large group of people apparently unable to defend itself from a single man with a chunk of wood. i don't understand the organizational difficulties involved in establishing effective defense in such a situation, but i would like to. maybe the police were preventing the armed anarchists from engaging with the armed fascists in defense of their comrades, while allowing that fascist to beat the large group of unarmed anarchists. that would accord with what video has shown so far.

Oh don't worry about it, I was mocking my own tendencies too... I have a few simple ideas that would help out. To start the antifas need to practice simply grouping up in units of 3-5 people when things get confusing. I would rather save my detailed thoughts for someone planning another actual protest though..

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