Rome, Italy, Jun 16, 2016 / 02:56 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- Pope Francis said Thursday that the great majority of sacramental marriages today are not valid, because couples do not enter into them with a proper understanding of permanence and commitment.
“We live in a culture of the provisional,” the Pope said in impromptu remarks June 16. After addressing the Diocese of Rome’s pastoral congress, he held a question-and-answer session.
A layman asked about the “crisis of marriage” and how Catholics can help educate youth in love, help them learn about sacramental marriage, and help them overcome “their resistance, delusions and fears.”
The Pope answered from his own experience.
“I heard a bishop say some months ago that he met a boy that had finished his university studies, and said ‘I want to become a priest, but only for 10 years.’ It’s the culture of the provisional. And this happens everywhere, also in priestly life, in religious life,” he said.
“It’s provisional, and because of this the great majority of our sacramental marriages are null. Because they say “yes, for the rest of my life!” but they don’t know what they are saying. Because they have a different culture. They say it, they have good will, but they don’t know.”
He spoke of his encounter with a woman in Buenos Aires who “reproached” him. She said that priests study for the priesthood for years and can get permission to leave the priesthood to marry and have a family. For the laity, this woman said, “we have to do the sacrament for our entire lives, and indissolubly, to us laity they give four (marriage preparation) conferences, and this is for our entire life.”
Pope Francis said that marriage preparation is a problem, and that marital problems are also linked to social situations surrounding weddings.
He recounted his encounter with a man engaged to be married who was looking for a church that would complement his fiancée’s dress and would not be far from a restaurant.
“It’s social issue, and how do we change this? I don’t know,” the Pope said.
He noted that as Archbishop of Buenos Aires he had prohibited marriages in the case of “shotgun weddings” where the prospective bride was pregnant. He did this on the grounds there was a question of the spouses’ free consent to marry.
“Maybe they love each other, and I’ve seen there are beautiful cases where, after two or three years they got married,” he said. “And I saw them entering the church, father, mother and child in hand. But they knew well (what) they did.”
Pope Francis attributed the marriage crisis to people who “don’t know what the sacrament is” and don’t know “the beauty of the sacrament.”
“They don’t know that it’s indissoluble, they don’t know that it’s for your entire life. It’s hard,” the Pope said.
Ross Douthat @DouthatNYT 18h18 hours ago
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tpaine posted:"i don't know. marriage is hard i guess" - leader of worldwide religion with a billion followers
to be fair, how the hell would he know
1. believe in jesus
2. believe in and follow the edicts of the catholic church
people who cant do #2 and still identify as catholics make no sense to me. if you don't like what they're saying then stop being a catholic. go be something else. it's like dressing up like a dog at an S&M club then complaining when people tell you to bark. if you don't like it you, uh, don't have to do to that.
The revolution demands concentration, increase of forces. From the masses, from individuals. It cannot tolerate orgiastic conditions, such as are normal for the decadent heroes and heroines of D’Annunzio. Dissoluteness in sexual life is bourgeois, is a phenomenon of decay. The proletariat is a rising class. It doesn’t need intoxication as a narcotic or a stimulus. Intoxication as little by sexual exaggeration as by alcohol. It must not and shall not forget, forget the shame, the filth, the savagery of capitalism. It receives the strongest urge to fight from a class situation, from the communist ideal. It needs clarity, clarity and again clarity. And so I repeat, no weakening, no waste, no destruction of forces. Self-control, self-discipline is not slavery, not even in love.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/zetkin/1920/lenin/zetkin1.htm
The pope is far closer to Marxism than the hippie liberal bullshit of sexual 'liberation'
Keven posted:Instead of being so finicky and me-centric, Marxists should go through two months of study session with a weird adult virgin in a collar, as poster hewy p Newton demands.
God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?
man can either reject all judeo-christian mores and embrace communism or become God himself and uphold liberal humanism as derived from christian civilization. in this sense, Goatstein is far more religious than either Lenin or the pope.
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:how come the pope doesnt excommunicate ppl anymore.
because you touch yourself at night
cars posted:le_nelson_mandela_face posted:how come the pope doesnt excommunicate ppl anymore.
because you touch yourself at night
Quia non tanget te nocte.
tpaine posted:i brazenly touch myself during the day in full view of our lord and my unfortunate neighbors
what's this in latin because it should be the state motto of florida
tpaine posted:florida man florida man lol. if i ever move out of this state you pissers wouldn't know how to fuck with me would you
e:fuck.
tpaine posted:florida man florida man lol. if i ever move out of this state you pissers wouldn't know how to fuck with me would you
there's still plenty of low hanging fruit, like
- Yes is overrated
- God is real
- Rap music
- Millennium Actress is a cartoon, for children
- Video game music is trash
- Troops are human beings worthy of love and forgiveness
tpaine posted:florida man florida man lol. if i ever move out of this state you pissers wouldn't know how to fuck with me would you
joel > mike