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SparksBandung posted:

I work with newly arrived migrants and it makes me hate my country

Hmm... Well... we don't usually let people who hate immigrants post here.... except goatstein... consider yourself on probation.

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getfiscal posted:

SparksBandung posted:

I work with newly arrived migrants and it makes me hate my country

Hmm... Well... we don't usually let people who hate immigrants post here.... except goatstein... consider yourself on probation.



I should rephrase. The treatment of migrants, whom I like, by the Canadian state is morally reprehensible and it makes me hate Canada

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But you're okay with Canada's treatment of migrants you dislike. Cool. Consider yourself on probation until further notice.
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swampman posted:

But you're okay with Canada's treatment of migrants you dislike. Cool. Consider yourself on probation until further notice.



Please tell me you're fucking with me and I don't have to explain again how I do not agree with Canada's treatment of migrants

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SparksBandung posted:

getfiscal posted:

SparksBandung posted:

I work with newly arrived migrants and it makes me hate my country

Hmm... Well... we don't usually let people who hate immigrants post here.... except goatstein... consider yourself on probation.

I should rephrase. The treatment of migrants, whom I like, by the Canadian state is morally reprehensible and it makes me hate Canada


Don't talk to me or my migrant's son ever again

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Ah, what terrible things I am forced to do to the migrants, what tragedies I must witness in the performance of my duties. I had to stamp seventy orders to send orphans back to Nicaragua by pony express; all will die of dehydration. I could have said fuck it, let them all in, get them locked in the foster system for good, but I would have been scrutinized within six months for my decisions, and eventually put on administrative probation until the department was sure that the danger of negative press had passed. You can't just help everyone all the time and pretend like the cost doesn't matter - I'd like to be in a position to help these orphans twice as much when I'm twice as powerful and rich. Well, not these particular orphans of course but you get the point.
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What about north Korea that was like imperialism by the ussr man. They like occupied the country and forced Koreans not to all become Christian like they wanted to
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Guyovich posted:



is he referring to north korea or the 2016 election

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Panopticon posted:

Guyovich posted:
is he referring to north korea or the 2016 election



china actually. but lol

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how do you get the cute little radiation symbol icon instead of the dumb grenade one
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excellent contribution, Goon With Animated Rape Joke in Avatar

"that's so me," he must have cackled, fishing out his credit card
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I see you posted this in the bad place. I salute your tolerance in the hopes that the few rational people who might lurk there will find this place. The amount of arrogant stupidity is off the charts, literally no one there knows anything beyond wikipedia and yet the forum is 20 people at most posting about every topic under the sun.

Third, the entire idea of anti imperialism is reactive, not proactive. In gaming, there is a concept called 'Tempo'. The basic premise is that if you are the player who is dictating the flow of the game, you are the player who is probably going to win, because you're able to force your opponent to engage on your terms, not theirs.



D and D post

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babyhueypnewton posted:

Third, the entire idea of anti imperialism is reactive, not proactive. In gaming, there is a concept called 'Tempo'. The basic premise is that if you are the player who is dictating the flow of the game, you are the player who is probably going to win, because you're able to force your opponent to engage on your terms, not theirs.


oh my god

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Constantignoble posted:

how do you get the cute little radiation symbol icon instead of the dumb grenade one



i'm ik of the election fyad-lite

babyhueypnewton posted:

Third, the entire idea of anti imperialism is reactive, not proactive. In gaming, there is a concept called 'Tempo'. The basic premise is that if you are the player who is dictating the flow of the game, you are the player who is probably going to win, because you're able to force your opponent to engage on your terms, not theirs.



god DAMMIT i meant to c/p this earlier, now you've reaped the rep rewards

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Are there any video game analogies that might help children get a glimpse if understanding imperialism?

The only game I've played in the last 5 years has been crawl, after a thread here
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guyovich here's another link for your various china-is-socialist discussions, it's a few years out of date but i remember enjoying it:

https://return2source.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/china-market-socialism-a-question-of-state-revolution/

xipe posted:

Are there any video game analogies that might help children get a glimpse if understanding imperialism?



perhaps the long-awaited sequel to "corn: the game of classical political economy" will give this matter the attention it deserves

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xipe posted:

Are there any video game analogies that might help children get a glimpse if understanding imperialism?

The only game I've played in the last 5 years has been crawl, after a thread here



because crawl is what we play, comrade

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Rhizzone Poster: hello. would you like to read my post about my opinions regarding the state of human society, based upon a lot of reading ive been doing. My views might not be popular, but I think youll find

Goon: I'm going to fucking kill you. I'm going to rape stalin. Human nature is inherently evil. I've never studied anything in my life.
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Constantignoble posted:

guyovich here's another link for your various china-is-socialist discussions, it's a few years out of date but i remember enjoying it:

https://return2source.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/china-market-socialism-a-question-of-state-revolution/



There's some good analysis and primary stuff on China here

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Can China and South Korea really be counted as anti-imperialist countries when they have their own colonialist plans such as buying land in africa to grow biofuel/food for themselves? (Although I've read that the case of the former was actually beneficial to africans, the Korean land grab in madagascar was still pretty outrageous)
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If a country is anti-imperialist it glows red, if it is imperialist it glows blue. That's how you can tell. For example, the Islamic State imports finance-capital, therefore it is anti-imperialist.
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State Department officials call for US military action against Assad regime
CNN - ‎2 hours ago‎
(CNN) More than 50 State Department officials signed an internal memo protesting U.S. policy in Syria, calling for targeted U.S. military strikes against the regime of Bashar al-Assad and urging regime change as the only way to defeat ISIS.

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NicoNicoNihilist posted:

Can China and South Korea really be counted as anti-imperialist countries when they have their own colonialist plans such as buying land in africa to grow biofuel/food for themselves? (Although I've read that the case of the former was actually beneficial to africans, the Korean land grab in madagascar was still pretty outrageous)



Note sure about South Korea, but a lot of that stuff about Chinese land grabs is often rumor and conjecture, because western pundits don't really understand how Chinese trading policy works. For example much of the alleged "farm grabs" in the 2000's were completely misrepresented by western media.

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SparksBandung posted:

NicoNicoNihilist posted:

Can China and South Korea really be counted as anti-imperialist countries when they have their own colonialist plans such as buying land in africa to grow biofuel/food for themselves? (Although I've read that the case of the former was actually beneficial to africans, the Korean land grab in madagascar was still pretty outrageous)

Note sure about South Korea, but a lot of that stuff about Chinese land grabs is often rumor and conjecture, because western pundits don't really understand how Chinese trading policy works. For example much of the alleged "farm grabs" in the 2000's were completely misrepresented by western media.



Yeah I was ambivalent on the chinese case after I started looking more on it on african news sources. I'm still wary of considering major powers as anti-imperialist though because there is always the danger of them using the anti-imperialism rhetoric like Imperial Japan did in the early 20th century.

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SparksBandung posted:
NicoNicoNihilist posted:
Can China and South Korea really be counted as anti-imperialist countries when they have their own colonialist plans such as buying land in africa to grow biofuel/food for themselves? (Although I've read that the case of the former was actually beneficial to africans, the Korean land grab in madagascar was still pretty outrageous)
Note sure about South Korea, but a lot of that stuff about Chinese land grabs is often rumor and conjecture, because western pundits don't really understand how Chinese trading policy works. For example much of the alleged "farm grabs" in the 2000's were completely misrepresented by western media.


really excellent and informative article, thank you



Still learning how to gage sarcasm on this forum plus I'm irritable because I'm sick with a fever, but I'll take that as a sincere compliment, thanks

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SparksBandung posted:

roseweird posted:

SparksBandung posted:
NicoNicoNihilist posted:
Can China and South Korea really be counted as anti-imperialist countries when they have their own colonialist plans such as buying land in africa to grow biofuel/food for themselves? (Although I've read that the case of the former was actually beneficial to africans, the Korean land grab in madagascar was still pretty outrageous)
Note sure about South Korea, but a lot of that stuff about Chinese land grabs is often rumor and conjecture, because western pundits don't really understand how Chinese trading policy works. For example much of the alleged "farm grabs" in the 2000's were completely misrepresented by western media.


really excellent and informative article, thank you

Still learning how to gage sarcasm on this forum plus I'm irritable because I'm sick with a fever, but I'll take that as a sincere compliment, thanks



dont worry this forum is much less sarcastic than it used to be. we still have the 'irony humor crew' but in general the worst 'ironic fascists' dont post here anymore

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roseweird posted:

yes, it's just sincere appreciation... it was good and i appreciated your linking it



christ roseweird, give the poor guy a break from this savage ownage

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Let's lay out a basic axiomatic argument for anti-imperialism:

1. Capitalism is bad.
2. Capitalism needs to grow to survive.
3. The goal of leftists is to stop capitalism.
4. Monopoly capitalism turns national competition into national capitals and international competition.
5. Imperialism is the expression of monopoly capitalism.

From this we can derive some further points.

1. Opposing imperialism is necessary to stop capitalism.
2. The concrete method for stopping imperialism is stopping capitalism from growing.
3. The way to stop capitalism from growing is to stop any expansion of capitalism outside of national borders.
4. Leftists can only stop imperialism within their own national borders.
5. The concrete task of all anti-capitalists is opposing their own imperialism.

The conclusions for policy are:

1. Resistance to imperialism is sufficient in causing capitalism to collapse.
2. The imperialist policies of countries outside of one's own borders are entirely irrelevant.
3. The nature of countries that resist imperialism are entirely irrelevant compared to their resistance of imperialism.

This obviously leaves out a bunch of debates that should happen between Marxists as well as extreme simplification of what imperialism is. But among non-Marxists, these conclusions are so obvious they are shared by everyone except neoliberals who happen to be the smug white men of D&D. That the thread has turned into disputes over various anti-imperialist or even non-America imperialist countries is no surprise since it is completely irrelevant to any anti-imperialist analysis and leads to pro-imperialism.
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babyhueypnewton posted:

But among non-Marxists, these conclusions are so obvious they are shared by everyone except neoliberals who happen to be the smug white men of D&D. That the thread has turned into disputes over various anti-imperialist or even non-America imperialist countries is no surprise since it is completely irrelevant to any anti-imperialist analysis and leads to pro-imperialism.



i never thought propositions like "self-determination is good" or "sovereignty is the foundation of international politics and the very basis of efforts such as the UN" could be in any way controversial until I started discussing imperialism with people. and i mean people I otherwise billed as pretty reasonable, not even the reprobates in that pit.

i found a free sample online of Bombs for Peace, and its intro has really helped to contextualize all this, tracing the efforts to subordinate sovereignty as a very concept. in fact it shouldn't be at all surprising that self-determination doesn't resonate for people today, because the very ideological landscape has changed. pretty remarkable.

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Constantignoble posted:

people I otherwise billed as pretty reasonable,



liberal'd again

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lotta western libs turned off self-determination when they realized that, assuming the end of history and domination of their own ideology, it would inevitably lead to the preeminence of high population south-of-the-equator nations. brazil, nigeria, india, etc. would all surge forward while germany and the rest of europe fell into geriatric torpor. this is horrific to them, and now the standard high liberal line is "we need to intervene in this countries, sterilize their women, and prevent them from developing their industry in Order To Save The World From Climate Change And Overpopulation" see the clintons in haiti