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From Blue Collar Prepping:

So, I had a good idea this afternoon and it just kinda... BLEW UP on Facebook.

Long story short: There have been lots of cool people on social media saying things like what my awesome friend Nicki Kenyon said on her blog:

To my LGBT friends – I know you still face prejudice, bigotry, hatred, and ignorance even in this day and age. I know many of you are still afraid to walk down the street with your partner holding hands and are still apprehensive about entering a public bathroom for fear of becoming a victim. I know many of you still face physical threats.

I just want you to know I want you to be safe. I want you well-defended. I want you to have the tools and skills to protect yourselves.

If you are in the VA/DC/MD area and want a partner with whom to go to the range, just ask. I’ll not only go with you, I’ll pay for your range time! I’ll go with you if you want to purchase a gun for self defense. I’ll help you learn how to use it safely and properly. I’ll help you get your CCW.

I never want to see my friends trapped unarmed and terrified in a situation like the one in Orlando, begging for their lives and saying “goodbye” to their loved ones while waiting to die. I want you to have the tools to at least fight back against the prejudice and hate you face. I want you to live to see hatred and bigotry eradicated from this world. J want you to have a chance.

I want you to live. I love you all.

Enough people were saying this sort of thing on blogs or Facebook that I thought, "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if there were a master list of all these cool people?" and so I posted as much on my wall.

And that's when my Facebook page blew up, your honor.

I have literally been working ALL AFTERNOON collating the names, cities, and contact information from people willing to donate their time, their guns, their ammo and gasoline to help people learn how to use guns and discover if they'd like to own one for self defense.

It got so big that it turned from a Facebook list into a Google map. And then it got so big that I needed help. And then it got so big that I eventually said "OK, I'm setting this private while I take a break*. You folks just add yourselves and when I come back and make the map un-editable and this status visible again, we'll see where we stand."

So, to all my gun-owning friends who have volunteered yourselves: Bless you. You're doing a great things. And if you want to volunteer, just contact me with your name, city & state, and your preferred method of being contacted (email, telephone, etc).

To all the preppers out there who are wondering if they ought to learn how to use guns, the answer is a resounding YES.

To anyone wondering "Do I have to be Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual or Trans to get help from these folks?" the answer is no, it's welcome to everyone -- we're just pointing out that LGBT folks are extra-welcome and won't be judged by these folks.

I encourage you all to spread this map. As the Pink Pistols say, "Armed gays don't get bashed", and helping train our LGBT brothers and sisters might prevent them from becoming another victim of ISIS.



https://bluecollarprepping.blogspot.nl/2016/06/a-google-map-of-lgbt-friend-firearms.html?m=1

sorry for the weird orientalist conclusion implying Omar Marteen was part of ISIS, but given recent events and our interest in gun clubs, I thought this might be interesting

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if LGBTQ had gun, this not hap-
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a google of lgbt-friendly firearm instructors walk into a bar
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I'm only interested in being armed if i'm given a gun for free that conforms aesthetically to my "boho-chic" style
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except for tom, who has never been described as "little"
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tpaine posted:

exactly. we're all a little bi


ye

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roseweird posted:

none of us are gay here, op, looks like youre barkin up the wrong tree



ugh typical cishet erasure

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shriekingviolet posted:

if LGBTQ had gun, this not hap-


i upvoted this in a kneejerk atavistic nationalist reaction and then i realized that was dumb, but i can't un-upvote so i downvoted. sohry.

i think it's actually more consistent with the rest of my political beliefs that people actually should have guns, but living in america makes you fucking crazy because it's horrible and fucked up so of course they are all shooting each other. it's ok though. trump will fix it

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The line is not just that "people should have guns," but that specific people should have guns and should openly exercise/demonstrate their right to defend themselves. The people who say, oh, "people" should have guns generally are white men who want to have a LOT of guns for themselves. But obviously it's terrible for white men to have a lot of guns, or any really. But since we can't remove their guns, the alternative is arming communities.

The map is cool, and probably is even improving the safety of gay people by demonstrating that they are possibly armed. But the LGBT community needs to follow up by setting up gun clubs that have outreach programs and couple firearms training with political education. And if that political education is "defeat Trump," then, well... anyway where's my Nachos I called 45 minutes ago
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I believe arming marginalized people is a good idea, I also think its delusional to think that it makes them any safer in the short term. Gun ownership isn't about deterring violence, its about taking back the monopoly of force held by the state and by white settlers. The goal is to eventually arrive at an end to violence, but there's gonna be an uncomfortable transition as that monopoly of force tries to preserve itself.

When the Panthers did demonstrations displaying their (entirely legal) firearms it was an excellent show of political force and exposure of the hypocrisy of white gun advocates, but also a huge risk to their personal safety.

also i don't think canada is any better but it was the only "remove the US" gif i could find with half a minute of effort
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tpaine posted:

i too want a ton of people to die


i've got good news for you: that's already happening!

what i'm trying to say is that individualized gun ownership doesn't mean anything for personal safety, only organized force can effectively defend itself from the violence of the oppressor. but yeah, at the same time having that organized force calls down an even stronger retaliatory response so outside of a miracle we're all just fucked anyways.

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Skylark posted:

I'm only interested in being armed if i'm given a gun for free that conforms aesthetically to my "boho-chic" style



you can get like a pink gun with flowers on it

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yeah or an incredibly rusty wwi machine gun with some antlers and a taxidermied hedgehog tastefully affixed to the sights
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guns are a public safety issue in the first world. in the US they kill 30k people and injure 70k+ every year. many of these injuries are incredibly serious and cause permanent disability. the slightest regulations are opposed by gun industry profiteers and white supremacy-inclined right-wingers. a disproportionate share of gun violence is made up of members of the underclass shooting at each other and does nothing to advance any type of revolutionary cause. hth.
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I don't think there's anything constructive in the idea of just wholesale encouraging LGBTQ folks to arm ourselves--there is some grounds for an argument regarding a more organized show of resistance/force a la Panthers but there are next to no American LGBTQ groups doing demonstrations or resistance of that sort. What positive outcomes do you see from the scattered arming of random folks across the nation? The immediate negatives, however, are pretty fuckin clear. Like HK mentioned, it seems like it will just result in some extremely woke, intersectional shootings. Also: I can't prove it, of course, but given how often LGBT individuals have run ins with officers of the law, I can easily see how arming ourselves results in more police violence when someone's inevitably harassed or booked.
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I don't advocate like, giving a handgun to every lesbian. Well yes I do, but for the purposes of this discussion, I think that the idea is more to have ranges where members can go and use a gun. The ranges can keep a stock of guns on hand, as can any specific lunatic who likes to have their armory. I specifically oppose the "scattered arming" of individuals as wasteful and unproductive... like it's more effective to have a community shop with a supervisor available where people can go and use large tools, like a drill press, rather than everyone aiming to get their own drill press set up in the garage for Epic self reliance in the post-zombalyptic Cormac McCarthocene
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i guess this thread wasn't really about the politics surrounding gun control.

fwiw i don't see a problem with arming marginalized people as long as it is understood the purpose is self-defense and is accompanied by some form of coherent political mobilization.
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my stance on this is Zardoz
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swampman posted:

I don't advocate like, giving a handgun to every lesbian. Well yes I do, but for the purposes of this discussion, I think that the idea is more to have ranges where members can go and use a gun. The ranges can keep a stock of guns on hand, as can any specific lunatic who likes to have their armory. I specifically oppose the "scattered arming" of individuals as wasteful and unproductive... like it's more effective to have a community shop with a supervisor available where people can go and use large tools, like a drill press, rather than everyone aiming to get their own drill press set up in the garage for Epic self reliance in the post-zombalyptic Cormac McCarthocene


you can take my guns. you can take my gay. but god damn if I'm going to let you take my drill press

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shriekingviolet posted:

tpaine posted:

i too want a ton of people to die

i've got good news for you: that's already happening!

what i'm trying to say is that individualized gun ownership doesn't mean anything for personal safety, only organized force can effectively defend itself from the violence of the oppressor. but yeah, at the same time having that organized force calls down an even stronger retaliatory response so outside of a miracle we're all just fucked anyways.



what are the things to think about when assessing what path to go down at points like this?

there are examples where oppressed groups organised and were met by more and more retaliatory violence which escalated into insurgency that went on for decades, and arguably did not result in much improvements for those people... and examples where it did.

i guess i;m wondering: what is the plan for seizure of power generally put forward by m-l communists, and does such communal self defense play a part in that?

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ahh, gunchart.jpg... it's been too long old friend...
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I think that the first goal of teaching self defense and providing arms to oppressed groups is to avoid them getting wiped out by right wing paramilitaries
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I was gonna have a discussion with some pro-gun chaps today and then someone quoted that reporter, and then i was like ehhhh maybe not.